Is Genesis 9 a failure?

[Ethiopia]

I think Daz 5 is largely vaporware.

Yup...couldn't agree more. I keep asking in Daz's forums and my question is never posted nor do I get a reply from that sycophant, Haseltine.
Tafi is just out for a quick buck and doesn't give a shit for the long term viability of the company. Everything they've done since taking over has shown that.
I keep bugging Rendo to fix all the long term problems with Poser AND make the next release fully compatible with Daz's duf format. It'll never happen but at least it gives me a reason to keep harassing them.

[eelgoo]

I would have thought that by now someone would have come up with a scripted G9 to G8 Character Converter, even if it was morphs only.

I get why Daz wouldn't like it, but there are plenty of talented scripters out there.

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[eelgoo]

@inverseKinematics

TBH I don't know the fine print of DMCA legalese, but I doubt it would be valid, if it is a scripter's own work? :0/

[gts6]

a converter script like that does not violate any rights. Particularly if it is a standalone software. It simply manipulates a file and changes file A into file B.

[eelgoo]

Exactly so.

I do not think they would have any legal right to stop it, as there is no copyright infringement.

🙂

[meowth]

Genesis 9, is not a failure by the physical point, but the idea of publish a new figure that the previous clothing wont fit or will be hard to adjust to is not a good idea. Also a lot of military themes clothing look too manly, it doesnt even hug the curves of the character

[eelgoo]

Well, like I said on page one:

' For me a big 'Yes.'

Whilst the clothes are OK with Richard's excellent G9 G8F clone, all the characters suffer from the sub par body attention.
It may be fine if you are only into close up portraits, but the rest is a massive step backwards for what I use characters for.'

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[ToxicIce]

I like G9 as I stated previously (just as eelgoo probably also stated that he disliked it more than 50 times in this thread alone lol). As long as you look at it as purely a blank canvas and are willing to get the morph packs required in order to tune it to your liking it can look just as good as the other generations. Plus, the headache with expressions G8.1 introduced when having to tinker with the files is gone, most hair for G8 that I got besides the OOT ones and a few others looked subpar compared to G9, most products for G9 which are made by older artists have shaped up nicely due to them gaining experience from all the other generations.

All in all, I still think it is a positive even with all the draw backs it has and I am glad it gets more products, however I think it deserves all the criticism it got because of its money hungry incompatibility with the hair and clothes of the former generations.

[Frank21]

@Eelgoo "..suffer from the sub par body attention".
Yep that was the main turn-off for me too. Joint bends are very poor.

[Morlock]

G9 is 100% a niche product for me. G8F is far more useful. I have a ton of morphs installed for G9 and can't just dial in a good-looking figure like I can with G8F. I have a handful of characters that look amazing for G9, and for them I'll use the figure, but otherwise, forget it. And I still have to run down bad JCMs in those characters that make the figure effectively unable to raise its arms without massive distortion. All the crap you have to parent/fit to it (mouth, eyes, etc.) slow the figure down to a crawl when dialing morphs or posing.

Edit: and most of the FBMs for G9 (i.e., the ones that come with character products) are just flat-out garbage.

G8 is 95%+ of my work and G9 is less than 5%.

[eelgoo]

IMO it is important to encourage vendors to continue support for G8 / 8.1 until if/when we get a viable G10F & G10M.

I think, as with Genesis (M5 V5), G9 is a hobbled, compromised base figure because of its androgyny.

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[eelgoo]

Another point, I am finding fewer G9 new hairs that look good, especially when installed on G8F.
Unlike legacy hair which usually works great on her with a modern shader applied.

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[Wayne]

It took me a while to warm up to G9 - I was 100% G8 before. However, as I've seen more and more assets being offered for G9 and conversions of poses from G8, I've started to love G9 - especially now that I've moved to DAZ3D Alpha 2025/2026. Yes, it sucks having to build whole new libraries of clothing, shoes, etc. but I've adapted.

@eelgoo, as for hair, I'm very pleased with the new stuff from FE.

[eelgoo]

As much as anything, it is the excessive poorly optimised bloat that puts me off G9 items

[Felicia]

RE: As much as anything, it is the excessive poorly optimised bloat that puts me off G9 items

@eelgoo Well said - I share that opinion.

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