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it sucks having to build whole new libraries of clothing, shoes, etc. but I've adapted.
Would you be less enthusiastic about G9 if this place wasn't available to provide all the free items?
This site is the only reason in the 4 corners of hell that I would spend a single mother fucking penny on anything for Daz Studio.
That aside I would just say that I think the geometry for the head by itself is MUCH better than the previous models. The model not having geometry for the nipples is a hug problem.
I scrape G9 clean of any 8k textures and turn the subdivision down to 3 at max. That serves my purposes. But I HATE that there are some serious problems with ALL of the figures.
Bad neck geometry and a serious lack of good neck and collar morphs.
Bad armpit geometry same as above.
Bad geometry surrounding the pelvis but specifically capturing the muscle that connects the pelvis to the thigh in between the legs.It's like some of the most beautiful parts of a woman's body are just ignored... How long have they been in development and these few parts have not EVER been reasonably addressed.
The older figures seem to have pretty good muscle morphs but G9 has bad muscle morphs that I have seen personally. That bugs me a lot because I think that sleek muscular body's like that of climbers or pole vaulters and such.
Why do people still use G9?
Moving from V3-V4.1 generation up to G8.1 was worth adapting to new product because the improvement was visible. But moving to G9 is not about adapting to a new model, is about accepting the blatant enshittification of the model line. That's regardless of the free access to free items... The model itself is a pile of failures struggling to stay upright. The clothing are literally worthless, zero fashion skills and a lot of showing off about skills with some 3D modelling application. The hair items are more useful for broom models, with their fake vintage doll-like appearance.
So, the better question could be why do people get comfortable with enshittification?Gen 9 female bodies look like absolute trash.
The male bodies are fine for the most part, but females are completely broken.I am happy using Genesis 8 for most of my art that I make. Have used Genesis 9 every now and then. But Gen8 has so much more options for me, and as I have lots of pre-poses that I have made and/or adopted from other poses. Gen9 has issues with that.
And the fact that one vendor screwed up my Genesis 9. I don't wish to delete everything. I got rid of this vendor from my database as I was unhappy with it. I won't say who.
Tried G9 out a few month’s after release; and decided to avoid for a good while as I was pissed off at the thought of having to install absolutely loads of morphs/add-ons just to fix the appalling base genesis 9 model. Recently had some spare time to once again try G9 and I’ve finally got the model to a usable state via the now plentiful various morphs available. So now flip between G8/8.1 and G9 dependent on render needs, and mothballed G3.
Far as I’m aware G9 has always been considered better for portrait/close ups/expressions, if not much else.
Even then it can be on a case by case judgement.
IMO the improvement is marginal at best, & certainly not worth the bloat & time to me.
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The G9 bodies are usable with enough additional morphs available to modify things. Last year at this time I wouldn't have believed that either.
It still has some major drawbacks, though:
I'm finally able to make single-dial morphs, but the process is 10,000% more complicated (make body morph, make eyes morph, make mouth morph, apply each individually while zeroing the body morph from the eyes and mouth, and remember to never adjust rigging on eyes or moth, but do it on the body... oy, vey!)Many vendors seem to do little, if anything with the body morphs.
Obviously, there are exceptions, but they are relatively few.
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So, I've been trying to decide between G8.1 and G9. Is there a good reason to use G9 over G8.1?
@morganascot Focus on finding one or two characters you really like for Genesis 8.1 and Genesis 9, and start with those.
Genesis 9 can use all the Genesis 8 wardrobe, and you’ll likely enjoy whichever figure you choose, whether it’s 8 or 9. A good approach is to begin with one of the more popular characters.
After using Genesis 8, you may start noticing some of the issues people often mention about Genesis 9, but they shouldn’t take away from your overall experience.
In my opinion, Genesis 9 paired with certain products like Natural Movements can be excellent. Genesis 8 tends to handle body shapes a bit better, though that doesn’t mean Genesis 9 falls short. On the other hand, Genesis 9 generally offers more advanced facial detail.
Also, a user recently uploaded a video for Genesis 9 users recommending some good starter characters.
Thank you for the insights. I’m going to test out G9 first. Are you talking about ‘Natural Movements Pack for Genesis 9’?
Do you have any product recommendations for body shaping Genesis 9 females?
That video looks good. I’ll give it a watch.
@morganascot Yes, here’s the one I mentioned:
https://www.daz3d.com/natural-movements-pack-for-genesis-9
You could use this one instead:
https://www.daz3d.com/ultimate-natural-bend-morphs-for-genesis-9-feminine-20
Use only one, you could use them together in the future but you would need to learn how to delete the conflicting ones, or adjusting them, which can be a bit overwhelming when starting, so simply choose 1.I’ll avoid dumping a huge list on you, since a lot of these products come with their own “documentation” and can take time to learn, similar to how Character Converters can be tricky to use, or Fit Control that adds dozens of morphs to any wereable, or how Enhanced Facial Expressions HD for Genesis 9 works best when combined with standard expression packs to really improve results.
If you’re looking to boost realism, these are worth checking out:
https://www.daz3d.com/chevybabe25
Has great eyebrows, hair, and Natural Eyes 9.https://www.daz3d.com/luthbellina
Has HD morphs covering pretty much every part of the bodyFor characters from PAs:
https://www.daz3d.com/faber-inc
https://www.daz3d.com/hid3dBoth create very believable characters and include excellent facial hair on their characters, ALWAYS with at least a new beard or eyebrows.
You can also explore the various navel and nipple geografts available, and for hairstyles, artists like Art Ken, Linday, OutOfTouch, and Forlornvoid should cover most of your needs without the need of extremely unoptimized assets from other PA's.
Adding a peach fuzz (vellus hair) product helps a lot with subtle realism.
Finally, consider one or two solid morph packs, like:
https://www.daz3d.com/200-plus-genesis-9-edition
https://www.daz3d.com/vinme-morphs-for-genesis-9That should give you a really strong starting point.
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