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@frank22: Theorically with a git clone install and installing all the dependencies should be enough. I think minimim. reqs. were Python 3.8 and I think Xformers (but this was included on Kohya installation).
For SDXL should be the same. I'm waiting for them to implement GLORA training (LORA on differente dimensions and actuations ranks) into Kohya to update my installation since should be very soon. GLORA > LORA in terms of aesthetics/quality.
Not really except you are using an old version commint of the automatic1111, if you use newer versions (month ago onwards should be enough) the inference of your LORA training (even LyCoris too) should be ok to put all to models/lora, etc. No need for extension except very old commits.
@frank22: Yeah, that video is way too old nowadays we have better ways to training and in fact using Automatic1111 is not giving good results. We use Kohya_SS, Everydream, etc. I'd reccomend Kohya_SS because it's easier to get started (although it has insane amount of settings, optimizers, schedulers and variables so you need a lot of experimentation).
By the way, you can always downgrade from one commit (ver.) to another. I did that when Auto was breaking extensions I was using.
@Legolas18: You can combine several ControlNet, one popular is OpenPose to control the pose + Depth/Canny. The more you use ComfyUI, better you will understand the inferencing although the seed generations differs from A1111 though.@frank22 The problem is that the extension of Kohya-SS Extra Networks is deprecated and caused conflicts in the past cause used a certain type of inference on the seed generation of LyCoris that actually is a no-anymore.
In fact it had a problem I addressed some months ago with not LORA's but yes with LyCoris and in specific with LoCon files.
That's why Automatic1111 fixed it so you theorically won't need anything other than to put your LORA's in models LORA (same as LyCoris types too)
And as recommendation to anyone using SD or SDXL, go for ComfyUI or Fooocus (this last is very useful if you don't want to mess with nodes). It's more difficult at first but what you can do there surpass by far what you can do in Automatic1111. Insane control and making your own workflows is totally useful.
Hope this help!
@Legolas18: Yeah, and nowadays with ComfyUI + ControlNet IP Adapter with clipvision you can do crazy things. There are a lot of useful ControlNets.As someone who is training daily models since a year and a half (started in DiscoDiffusion) and is working for private companies, etc. in terms of AI trainings I will recommend you to use ControlNets instead of img2img. Img2img even at low denoise actually changes too much the thing, ControlNet nope, it maintains a good ratio of preserving original source vs quality-changes.
If you want more clear images or details on certain areas Adetailer extension works very well too (along as the typical face improvement ones). I'm more on the side of painting/concept art rather than just render 3D front faces but ControlNets will help you out.
Also remember that even in the inferencing (generations) you will need to adjust the CFG scale to the "style/aesthetic" you want. Example, realism in SDXL base probably 2-3 is good to go. In Juggernaut XL I think 2-3 works too. If you want more colorful images you will need to get a wider range using CFG scale 4 onwards to 7-8.
If not send me message or contact me via my username in CivitAI or Reddit. LDWorks David
I'm actually inpainting some of my drawings, upscaling them, photoshopping, sending them as init, etc. Might actually post some of the things I get this week but for variation of your own works is stunning.
Hi. My name is David and I have been into AI for 7 months, first 3 with Disco Diffusion understanding the system, prompting, models, settings, schedule, etc. and nowadays using Stable Diffusion as a personal model trainer (sometimes private for IG AI artists). My currently job is professional material artist at Adobe and I'm ex concept artist (and more things) in the industry for 11-12 years but got interested in AI since May this year. I will answer and correct a lot of things said here thata were wrong.
First of all, it seems that some people still don't know what is a diffusion or how AI works. I alreday saw Steven Zapata's video where he told that AI replicates works. Utterly false, AI won't replicate any input and no matter how much you train it to do it, actually it will mix the "style" of that inputs into the prompts you put for a guidance. So even you try to replicate same artworks the only thing that get similar is the style.
Let's talk about the style. The style is something you build upon other works as inspiration, references, films, comics, books, etc. on a daily basis, that's called a visual library and everyone have it's own. Professional artist library usually is HUGE, AI's VL is limited to the dataset which actually can be tweaked, changed and extended.
Before all of you start screaming it's stealing, etc. No more steal than professional artist when inspiring in other works, other artists, films, netflix, comics, references, etc. They never (and me actually) paid copyrights for it. Same as when people do fan art, etc. Nothing is original, we work on a mix of things already created called "our own style" but the fact is that we neither invented anything new, we just put pieces in a unfinished puzzle.
The diffusion once again ("rendering") its inspiring on the artist's style or in the dataset but never will be using actual works in the final image, will be using the style AI thinks was used to create those.
About training. Training a model its easy, train a good model not so easy but never close at those prices in the first post IMO. A normal person can buy a 10$ subscription for 1000-2000 images generation in DreamStudio (Official Stable Diffusion site) or like me, can use VisionOfChaos or WebUI to run it locally which his or her own GPU card FOR FREE (paying electricity bill) OR use Google Colab also for free. I trained a model yesterday for 14 hours for a friend based on his works to 17.000 checkpoints, more or less.
It's ok they're lifetime but the images are SD 1.4 and can run for free even on Google Colab s on non paid accounts. Not worth IMO.
There are lately thousands of sites with ridiculous prices trying to jump in the AI art wave, my advice as artist and AI trainer, don't go this way. You don't need to pay a single $ and you don't need (if you're willing to pay) more than 20-30$ month to get a MidJourney account with better results (actually with V4) or just save to get a nice RTX 3000 series and use it locally on your PC.
BTW, I'm crystal clear here. If some of you have any questions, want to see some examples of training, etc. feel free to contact me. See ya.
You're right. Sorry for the mass bombing of ideas/workflows. And ei! You dont need to use 15 different software dude. Just two or three at most.
1 - Daz3D (obvious) or CC3/4.
2 - Photoshop and low-mid level photobashing skills <- MUST
3 - Optional ZBrush or any other organic sculpting software.With this you can do everything. You can easily blend smiles, part of the face, body, etc. into Raw render or another photo and match the colors and rhythms.
Wanna try more options:
4) AI? Of course you can do it with more IA apps (FaceAppS as I told you before). There are hundred of those and the outcome to be fair, is very good and with some tweaks maybe is what you're looking for if you lack Photoshop skills (well, if you have some you can camouflage pixels and make them look like a raw realistic render, for example).
Optional) ZBrush is another software I mentioned cause you can sculpt details easily and to put a easy way you can try FlippedNormals Face Kit which I think it's in the wild right now. Default brushes works flawless and you can achieve high level of detail with ease (and more when the hard part was done by Daz3D)
Optional 2) The hard side should be Textures XYZ (paid professional textures using in professional pipeline workflowS) face projection using Mari or Substance Painter but I think that involves more software to your arsenal.
In a nutshell Daz + PS + stock photos (good ones) will give you almost everything you need.
Well... Im not sure about the patreon images and maybe you're right but my eyes are seeing weird things like masked photoshopped mini áreas but I can tell you that the Ellie ones in the post are having a heavy Photoshop... and its fairly easy to mix a face with other (or parts), following freckles rhythm, micro feature, etc. Easy but time consuming btw. Plus, I suppose you Scan sculpt wrinkles, etc. In Zbrush via traditional way or with VDM or IMM.
Another way (bit more professional) is to texture project a XYZ map with face details, porous, etc. and start masking via Mari but I suppose thats for higher level. And implies Zbrush for refining too.
Not saying Amber you're wrong and this is not 100% RAW daz render but my eyes are telling me there is more than daz here. Maybe im wrong lol
Nah. 100% a mix between faceappS (not necessary faceapp) and Photoshop blending real stock photos.
Call it photobashing plus AI changing expressions. Indeed is very easy to do that for some with minimum knowledge in Photobash areas.
How it could be done?
1 - RAw render in Daz/other software.
2 - postprocess it with lightroom/ps/overpaint. Probably mix of 3 is good choice but I dont rely on LR as I prefer to overpaint.
3 - mix faces via faceappS or real photo. Use clonestamp, smudge and filters to look like a real raw render.
4 - 2nd postprocess or overpoint depending on the style you want to achieve: realistic, western, stylized, etc.If you want I can recommend some YouTube links showing principles of this.
I always get a bit confused with backdrops and HDRI's. People use to threat HDRI's as a whole and that confuses me a lot. And not here, everywhere, haha.
As @ethiopia said I also did my own HDRI's shots for lighting purposes aka reflections on surfaces and skins. In fact there are several videos where you can learn how to create HDRI for lighting reflection purposes:
(This applies to Blender but already did in Cinema 4D, etc.)
And if you want some free great quality sources:
https://polyhaven.com/hdris
(Funny story how some vendors actually rips from these site without even crediting and sell it in the store, lol). But they aren't doing anything wrong cause "Polyhave is Not just free, but CC0, meaning you can use them for absolutely any purpose". That's the cheat.I altered some of my own shots to make then SciFi looking. At that time I was working on a mini commercial project doing some fractals and using them as reflections to make they look "sci-fi".
BTW, I can't forget to comment that most of people starts are way worse than yours and you have some sense of 3D looking at composition, light, etc. Keep them going mate!
@yngvarr: You're right and at the same time not, lol. The render probably was done in DAZ but the outcome is a render that was HEAVILY postworked with overpaints in hair, body (a lot), lighting, etc. So the Raw render probably is only Daz (pose, minimal lighting, char, morphs, enviro, etc.)
Sometimes is funny see how many people believe that the Daz renders are "RAW" renders when a lot of them (90% or so) are postworked and overpainted (normal cause is the way in the professional areas in Daz and Non-Daz). For example when I'm doing enviro scenes the scene final image won't be the Octane/Redshift render I do, will be that scene RAW render + Postwork (and sometimes postwork involves more hours than the planing of the RAW thing, lol).
@monica:
This render could be using this:PS Ponytail for Genesis 8 and 8.1 Female
SKU 85715I think it was filled here in Zone but I may be wrong.
Cheers!
@warrant63: Agree and understood. All fine. The idea of the Bundle/Mega Bundle for exclusive club sorta thing sounds like a possible one to me. I don't know if it could be a good idea though...
@mxyzptlk: Maybe an unpopular opinion but I think the same at some points. There are people whose shares are reuploads only and never buy a single product. I know I haven't shared in a while (and have my reasons) but you can see I filled several items in the past so... at least I bought and use my own money. Some people really are only leeching. How to avoid? I dont know and I think it's not possible.
@D0gg0d: Backdoor trading exists, will exist and existed the single moment users are interacting each other in a place but not here, in every single CG forum you can think of. Other thing is that people started to do it more and some people noticed it more but it's impossible to control it. When I was sharing I know inner circles existed here as it's the common thing in every pirate forum."People dont mind downloading $100,000 worth of content but they dont want to share?"
True. And they don't buy anything neither in terms of sharing. IMO what @mxyzptlk said is what I think when he talked about how sharing works. You scratch my back and I will scratch yours. You are not scratching my back, no worries I won't scratch yours neither. Pirating is about help each other not about leeching everything you can when you're no giving anything in exchange. But that's probably me.
@warrant63:
"There is no grace period, so if you fill something and want to keep it as a private share, other folks from the request thread not going to share it (only if they [or someone outside from the request thread] bought a copy from that item)"I have a question here dude. Do you mean the thread is filled by "anon" where you can write in the thread and hopefully you can offer points for that item or are you talking about keeping a request thread opened while some of the users already were sent the item in private? Wondering this.
And in the 2nd case... How are you going to verify that it was a new copy purchase and not the previous one? Asking cause I don't know :/.
"The public posts for new stuff from big stores should be always in the upcoming section with 1 month countdown (so everyone can see what’s up)."
TOTALLY AGREE AT THIS. Can't say the times I purchased things that "ok, I will test it, looks more or less good" that if I knew it was already purchased by someone willing to upload here, won't buy them or buy another ones...Between D and E but:
D) Time enough for creators to get money and I think that all of us here (and I'm looking more at the buyers) should accept that items will be 100% shared at sometime and if they somehow (to protect theirselves from DAZ, etc) don't want the item to be shared here in a public way, please, don't fill the item, simple as that.
Being said that, in my case I've NEVER shared anything that wasn't 100% my purchase even grace period ends or not. And won't do it in the future since it's my way of do the things, good or not. (Hope it makes sense).
E) Want to see where this leads. Could be interesting can't deny it.
Damn. I dont know.
I'm gonna be a bit offtopic just for this time since some talked about the system in this thread. IMO it works well the way it is.
First. DAZ and the new products which are... worse? really? IMO they're not as bad as some of you said (I admit that some yes, ok) but we have grown up over these years and things we use to think "WOAH, mindblowing" nowadays are "ok, not bad". That's the real problem too. Just look at figure from G2 or "Elite textures".
For example why do I need more female or male figures -which most claim as ZBrush carefully sculpted are not sculpted, are modified morphs- if I already own Reallusion Character Creator which gives me way more realistic and quality figures. Why do I need these nature environments if I have an entire suite of trees, grass, etc. that I can place my self in other 3D software?. Why I need to pay 30$ for things Quixel Megascans are giving me for free and if way better built package? I can continue like this all day.
Daz needs to do some heavy fixings with their policy if they want to survive the next 3D years. And more with the AI coming soon or the Metahuman in the future to name a few...
The daily releases could be worth some years ago but with all non-Daz solutions around there... camon. They're slowly killing theirselves forcing vendors to release daily with so much lack of QC. IMO they should do 2 bundles per month and probably 20 items per week. This way they will win more $ as people will buy them, there will me a higher QC too, etc. but they're too greedy to do this. We will see...
Second. As @warrant63 said (which totally agree with him in ALL points) posting a private share after a week will give you "problems" in the future. Some items I filled were posted 4 hours after in the blog and I was like WTF. Don't get me wrong, I don't care since people should sign a paper where it says, "If filled, privately shared, etc. after a X times will be posted in the blog". Probably the idea of an specific person doing the uploads could be good to avoid versus between uploaders/buyers and requesters. I don't know...
And with this ...welll... we could talk too about the "leaking" from other places of Daz/non-Daz here making people in other places mad as hell.
One case (won't tell names) happened in a very known CG Pirate forum where the cracker got mad with this site and "punished" the release of some cracked software with a delay of 8 months before the actual release cause some user here posted it without crediting him and the cracker already saying to "please, don't put this in other places till I fix blablabla". Bang.
This also extends to private Daz websites where new stuff is bought or groupbuyed and it leaks here, etc. Which as we know, there are more places outta there.
Third. Friend requesting... for points????. Well, I've sent friend requests not for point earn or anything, if I want points I will buy a bundle, fill it and that's all... I've sent friends request cause there were users I use to talk with them more, chat, etc. The thinking of "ei, I want to be your friend cause more points this way or free stuff" is crazy to me :S.
Fourth. Items holding and points greeder. I've seen sometimes where I know the fact that the item or bundle was purchased and buyer/s on purpose increase the points theirselves in the thread making it bumpy and people to put more to the pot just for... more points. This is ok but when the item is not purchased and it's a leak from other private sites it's a bit... non-ethical?
About the first situation... nothing against this but points are points. Having 10000000000000000K points won't make you get anything in special if you want something in specific which is not in the "wild". IMO some people threat points as the holy grail where the holy grail in this place are the contacts you make in the long time and the friendships (period). 🙂
Fifth. More sharing is needed: In my case I admit it. GUILTY. I shared way more in the past and before my HDD decided to stop working and now from time to time stuff I think cool enough I personally buy, I use to send to other people and they post it in the blog since I'm lazy as hell for uploads... and to be fair I never wanted credits for anything 3D related and more because my job,.
Funny thing is that some Kitbash3D, Flippednormals and LearnSquared recent purchases I did with my own money (that were uploaded by me on another site), the next day appeared in the blog but well, I don't care but still is funny since I was going to upload them here lol. Somehow ended here and I'm happy so np.
There is also the thing that some items get filled so fast that I don't know why I'm buying them (some, not all!) except cause I'd want the updates of that product (you can't believe how many Daz products get updated per day, a lot and how many updated products we're losing but this is common). Probably I should start sharing publicly again here soon but I use to buy products from months ago cause sales, etc. so the chance they're not already here are low. Still I try to contribute the best way I can.
In a nutshell. IMO Daz is doing the things very very bad and not thinking neither the future neither their competitors, the threatment to the creators well... you all know how it is but this place is wonderful and it works pretty good.
Sorry for the long post. :D.
