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And in the spirit of pointless whining: PAs that have their stuff always on sale. You're not fooling anyone. You're just trying to entice people because sale = bargain = must buy in our stupid easily tricked brains.
(and it works dammit)
It's probably Daz rather than the PA that decides sale items.
"...gotten a bit too serious..." The problem with typing on a keyboard is that nobody can see your face to tell how serious you are. Mind you, even that doesn't work all the time.
@Legolas18 wrote:
My opinion on the matter is:
1. You can’t reasonably force someone who shared an item privately to post it on the blog. If anyone would be forced into that, they could either permanently move or permanently decide not share anything anymore.
2. You can’t expect people that received an item privately to post it against the wishes of the sharer. The consequences for that can be easily understood by anyone.
3. 1 Week for sharing an item after a private share, as stated in the rules, is way too short of a time-frame IMO. My guess is that someone wouldn’t mind seeing “their” item on the blog as much after a considerably longer time, such as 1 month (a. to give PAs time to make some earning and not destroy his/her business, and b. so that the private sharer would mind less).With regards to the blog, I agree with Legolas18 here. I encourage posting, but there are a lot of good reasons to wait a bit before sharing to the blog. Let members decide for themselves. Points or not, these are gifts.
As for everything else, imo the system works fine as is. Maybe it was better in the past, I don't know, I'm new. But this is still by far the best site for Daz stuff. Almost all of the shares in the wild originate here.
Tweak and iterate, sure (like updating the splash page). But overall, people are friendly and we get things shared. No significant gripes from me. 😉
That is just marketing.
Exploiting weaknesses in human nature. 😉Yes, it does work,
They have made it into a 'science' using psychology.
🙂
Completely agree with @Legolas18 that after a private share we should wait at least 1 month, before the public release (till that, you can PM folks anyway).
I've always followed the old pirate rule - If you tried it and you liked it, then buy it - PAs needs to earn some money too (or they will leave us, and after that, we can cry endlessly about the sh*t quality items).And of course, you can't force people to share stuff publicly.
Anytime I see a post with "aham okay, the 1 week period ended, someone who got it, please upload it", my first thought is - yeah, good luck to get anything after that from the original filler...Btw personally my biggest problem with public sharing is the leecher site problem.
You upload something, and it instantly pops up on them. And don't get me wrong, my problem is not the resharing (we are still pirates after all, arrrgh), but the earning part. They earn money from their ads, subscriptions, and file sharing methods, but they don't contribute a single thing to this community.
I would share a lot more stuff if there were some sort of "inner circle part of the site" (with "only approved users access" maybe.)Edit: I didn't mean an exclusive club with the inner circle part, just a minimum required time or point limit to force out the accounts, which don't do anything - just cash in the daily reward and unlock the new public posts.
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And of course @Hunter @anjabear @monkseye @eelgoo
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As I said earlier, it is impossible to please everybody.
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Thank you.
The only caveat I would place on an extended time delay is that it is possible, or even likely that the item will be forgotten about, not posted to the blog & re-requested.
It is a potential gold mine for points farming.I agree with @Legolas18
I'm gonna be a bit offtopic just for this time since some talked about the system in this thread. IMO it works well the way it is.
First. DAZ and the new products which are... worse? really? IMO they're not as bad as some of you said (I admit that some yes, ok) but we have grown up over these years and things we use to think "WOAH, mindblowing" nowadays are "ok, not bad". That's the real problem too. Just look at figure from G2 or "Elite textures".
For example why do I need more female or male figures -which most claim as ZBrush carefully sculpted are not sculpted, are modified morphs- if I already own Reallusion Character Creator which gives me way more realistic and quality figures. Why do I need these nature environments if I have an entire suite of trees, grass, etc. that I can place my self in other 3D software?. Why I need to pay 30$ for things Quixel Megascans are giving me for free and if way better built package? I can continue like this all day.
Daz needs to do some heavy fixings with their policy if they want to survive the next 3D years. And more with the AI coming soon or the Metahuman in the future to name a few...
The daily releases could be worth some years ago but with all non-Daz solutions around there... camon. They're slowly killing theirselves forcing vendors to release daily with so much lack of QC. IMO they should do 2 bundles per month and probably 20 items per week. This way they will win more $ as people will buy them, there will me a higher QC too, etc. but they're too greedy to do this. We will see...
Second. As @warrant63 said (which totally agree with him in ALL points) posting a private share after a week will give you "problems" in the future. Some items I filled were posted 4 hours after in the blog and I was like WTF. Don't get me wrong, I don't care since people should sign a paper where it says, "If filled, privately shared, etc. after a X times will be posted in the blog". Probably the idea of an specific person doing the uploads could be good to avoid versus between uploaders/buyers and requesters. I don't know...
And with this ...welll... we could talk too about the "leaking" from other places of Daz/non-Daz here making people in other places mad as hell.
One case (won't tell names) happened in a very known CG Pirate forum where the cracker got mad with this site and "punished" the release of some cracked software with a delay of 8 months before the actual release cause some user here posted it without crediting him and the cracker already saying to "please, don't put this in other places till I fix blablabla". Bang.
This also extends to private Daz websites where new stuff is bought or groupbuyed and it leaks here, etc. Which as we know, there are more places outta there.
Third. Friend requesting... for points????. Well, I've sent friend requests not for point earn or anything, if I want points I will buy a bundle, fill it and that's all... I've sent friends request cause there were users I use to talk with them more, chat, etc. The thinking of "ei, I want to be your friend cause more points this way or free stuff" is crazy to me :S.
Fourth. Items holding and points greeder. I've seen sometimes where I know the fact that the item or bundle was purchased and buyer/s on purpose increase the points theirselves in the thread making it bumpy and people to put more to the pot just for... more points. This is ok but when the item is not purchased and it's a leak from other private sites it's a bit... non-ethical?
About the first situation... nothing against this but points are points. Having 10000000000000000K points won't make you get anything in special if you want something in specific which is not in the "wild". IMO some people threat points as the holy grail where the holy grail in this place are the contacts you make in the long time and the friendships (period). 🙂
Fifth. More sharing is needed: In my case I admit it. GUILTY. I shared way more in the past and before my HDD decided to stop working and now from time to time stuff I think cool enough I personally buy, I use to send to other people and they post it in the blog since I'm lazy as hell for uploads... and to be fair I never wanted credits for anything 3D related and more because my job,.
Funny thing is that some Kitbash3D, Flippednormals and LearnSquared recent purchases I did with my own money (that were uploaded by me on another site), the next day appeared in the blog but well, I don't care but still is funny since I was going to upload them here lol. Somehow ended here and I'm happy so np.
There is also the thing that some items get filled so fast that I don't know why I'm buying them (some, not all!) except cause I'd want the updates of that product (you can't believe how many Daz products get updated per day, a lot and how many updated products we're losing but this is common). Probably I should start sharing publicly again here soon but I use to buy products from months ago cause sales, etc. so the chance they're not already here are low. Still I try to contribute the best way I can.
In a nutshell. IMO Daz is doing the things very very bad and not thinking neither the future neither their competitors, the threatment to the creators well... you all know how it is but this place is wonderful and it works pretty good.
Sorry for the long post. :D.
Most of this started with this inclusion
"In keeping with the site’s TOS, I have the right to ask those I give my files to, not to post them on the ZoneGFX pages, public pages or on other share sites. This file is for your private enjoyment and use, not for the rest of the world yet, I will post it after a time myself to ZoneGFX. Any questions about this feel free to contact Hunter, Monk, AnjaBear or Eelgoo, the moderators."
One sticky says dont post, another say do post, another says maybe post ect...
People use to post in some cases before they even got all their points. They relied on trust and courtesy. Hell, I posted a ton of old content for everyone rather than uploading it in single files. I could have flooded the site with V3 and old V4 content. Could upload a ton of photoshop books and art books. I wanted to keep it a bit more streamline and sharing was more important that trying to squeeze out a few more points.
There are people that have a few million points that only offer 500 for a product. while others generously give away thousands of points for fun things like contest.
@Frank22 "It’s probably Daz rather than the PA that decides sale items."
I'm sure Daz has a death grip control on their site, but in this case I was talking about on Renderosity and Renderotica.
@warrant63 "Anytime I see a post with “aham okay, the 1 week period ended, someone who got it, please upload it”, my first thought is – yeah, good luck to get anything after that from the original filler…"I can totatally see that. I've encouraged people before in threads and such to post stuff I've shared because I'm too lazy or busy to do it. And sometimes I forget to do it, or it's sits on my to-do list for ages. Personally I never mind if somebody posts it instead of me, but not every one is so lazy / chill / easy-going. People need to learn not to get worked up about stuff so much (...I realize the hypocrisy here and I include myself in the previous sentence)
Thanks for your comment Dimer... like you say I'm bloody sure Daz keeps a strangle-hold on their PAs.
"People need to learn not to get worked up about stuff so much.."... that's an idea that's very missing on social media altogether, where every halfwit on the web espouses idiotic and ignorant opinions about things they have little knowledge of or control over..
Interesting thing about opinions is they run the world. They can set a man free or condemn him to death. They can elect an official and dictate laws. Determine what people believe is right or wrong. People are paid to study and exploit what others think to product and sell products. They can win or lose a war. They can destroy a person's career or make them rich. So for something that stinks so bad opinions do, have and will continue to rule the world.
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