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Beauty is subjective. But... in this case, I do find that some of the Gen 9 models aren't easy on the eyes. Especially when they're using expressions. Nothing screams realism when I'm looking at certain models' smiles.
Another question would be: why do a lot of these Gen 9 models look the same?
Oh...and no more subscription based lunacy, where things we were able to get for free or buy, is now behind a damn paywall.
either go FULL BUY TO OWN like Poser and then just purchase UPGRADES for you program, and then buy assets extra like normal, or STAY FULL FREE TO USE.
People are sick and tired of the MTX sub based model going on in a lot of these 3D programs, and DAZ is one of them...
@Peepshow45 - it's like they are coming out on a CONVEYOR belt.
like no uniqueness to any of them, all looking the same. at least with Gen 3 and Gen 8, the base models HAD UNIQUENESS and were all different from each other...
Been noticing sort of a trend with the g9 models. Almost every single one of them the noses are totally screwed up. Like unnaturally wide and flat looking. Been removing them and using a VDM brush with zbrush to fix them with the multi res hack
@michealbishop - Oh indeed. And like many have said, if Gen 10 is not back to being Seperate Meshes, which I don't think we are getting a Gen 10. I think Daz's days are literally numbered at this point. But if we didn't, it be the end of DAZ too. But I think DAZ's utter demise is coming sooner than people realize.
I mean, the continued push of AI Generated assets, Game RIPS now being uploaded to their site, and this crappy AI Victoria 9, is just 3 more Nails to add to it's already built coffin...
It is what it is. Clearly whoever is doing the developing over at DAZ, has two bricks shy of a load...
Most people are just trying to get a paycheck and have already been down this road so long they no longer feel like bucking the system. Most people in corporate leadership are tone deaf to customer demand and are trying to force products we don't want. This r@pey business model has been foisted on us for the last 25 years, starting with the 0% down SUV push in 2001 when people were starting to demand lower gas mileage cars. I doubt Daz will go down, but they will realize their product isn't selling as much. The only way they could go down is if/when an indie developer decides to release a similar tool that shifts back to what people want. Until then most people will just wait for someone to make a plugin to fix whatever they screw up at Daz. As far as what corporations want, they want that Blackrock money. A guaranteed paycheck in their eyes. If they get on the teat of Blackrock now, that's the ultimate achievement. Not outperforming competition. They think free market competition is beneath them now. Why are they steering things toward AI everything? Because they do not want people to be creators. They want us to be pigs feeding at the slop trough. Many of the ideas in Sci Fi movies from the 80s are coming true today, like the attitude of corporations toward customers. They want mindless wage slaves, just like in Looker (1981). They do not want us pipsqueaks, no matter how small, to provide something people like better than their control. So the best thing to do is reject everything that has AI tacked on like it's the main feature. Some even go as far as to poison the models if they can. I just won't use it. I'm not going to give my traffic to any site that is offering some AI "service". If I want to run anything specialized it'll be locally and very limited in use. Like upscaling or inpainting, but even then I usually have to retouch things by hand. I'm definitely avoiding the AI 3d model world. We need to get back to creating things in spite of the fact that they want to remove that ability from us.
But to get back on topic, I've noticed lately that there's a disturbing trend where A LOT of the character models have pursed botox duck lips. I spent 3 days trying to find characters that didn't have pursed botox duck lips. It's very uncanny valley. And if it's not that, then their face proportions are stretched to be too long. Or too wide. They either use a Jafar morph, or a Shrek morph. Ugh. I'd rather have normal people than some weird clown world idea of what beauty standards are. Some trends need to die already.
@Josie - Preaching the choir here, my friend.
@Flanker - Agreed. Many more people need to start thinking like her.
Sometimes it's a common flaw in human thinking, where we people assume that others hold similar enough values that things couldn't possibly be as evil as they are. The mind can't seem to leap over that hurdle and see things out to their natural conclusion when they go unchecked. That there are truly bad people in the world, even in our immediate world, and they will not stop doing bad stuff to us if we just keep our heads down. They have to be smacked hard to stop. There has to be consequences, and when the system refuses to oblige the public that justice, it's left to the pubic at large to push back. Once the mind can get over that obstacle, and you realize that nobody is going to stick up for us except us, it's really easy to see things as they are, rather than how we imagine they should be.
@Josie - Freedom is not freely given, it is earned, as they say. And many are too afraid to stand on their own two feet...
I agree with everything you are saying.
I wouldn't say it's earned, it's paid for in blood, tooth and nail, because some people really don't like others having it. There's something seriously wrong with anyone who thinks they have the right to impose on others, control others, or violate others. Especially absent consent. There are very few exceptions where a human being can intervene with someone else, and that's when an individual or group, is actively violent, unprovoked, and needs to be stopped. And no, someone who is preparing to defend themselves is not an act of violence. No, mean words are not violence. Active physical harm to anyone else outside of your own body is. Anything else short of that can be discussed, or those who disagree with each other can just avoid each other. Sadly, even heads of state can't seem to understand this concept in our day and age.
@Josie - Again, you are preaching the choir josie. It is NOT I you have to say this to, it is the ones that CHOOSE not to listen...
It's not just the Gen 9 characters though. It started with Gen 8 too, and there are a whole slough of characters that are like playdough stamped from the same formless goo. There are also some really nice looking Gen 9 characters, but the cross compatability issues add a layer of difficulty that shouldn't be there. Where the fixes are more like user hacks than actual solutions. I still haven't found out a fool proof method to exchange items between Gen 8 & Gen 9 effortlessly without tons of errors or having it fail entirely if it's done with plugins. What bothers me most about 9 stock characters is that they are just boring for the most part. Not many of them jump out to the point I want them. So, since the majority of my characters are G8, any workflow is going to revolve around them.
What bothers me more across the board is the shift away from realistic faces to plastic surgery faces. The "They/Themming" of all the clothing, hair and faces. Where everyone is androgynous when that's not the real world. I strive for as much realism as I can get in faces, because that's going to draw in the viewer. I want the characters to have weight, to be believeable. For people to say "that reminds me of someone I grew up with." Instead of "Oh great, another botox face..."
I think someone mentioned a while back that the uncanny valley effect is off putting to most humans, and the same holds true here. When something is off, and we recognize something as fake, or not quite "human", it makes us recoil. It's deeply ingrained in our psyches.
I've always wondered if that was due to some deep past where humanoid robots walked among us, or alien hybrids with creepy auras who harmed humanity were doing whatever they wanted to people.
It's not some anti alien sentiment, because there's also evidence humans got along fine with other bipedal humanoid species, that some assume are "alien", from Arizona down to Peru, even coexisted in the same soceity together, but there's something deeper there about abhorrant behaviors and our fear of it happening again. Like our native American legend of giants who saw humans as a literal snack, and would hunt villagers, until they grabbed too many wives and cooked them up, and the village warriors burned the giants to death in a cave. When something not quite human is eating your family members, people are going to be very upset about it.
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