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June 21, 2019 at 12:42 am #1127163
Honestly, I'd say it's a losing battle at this point. If they can't -or Daz doesn't want to- find a way to incorporate Genesis 3/8 content, then it'll truly be game over for Poser. Especially since DS now has nearly everything Poser had that originally gave it an advantage over DS.
June 21, 2019 at 7:22 am #1127484I bought Poser Pro 2014 mainly for the Dynamic capabilities which Daz was lacking at the time. To be honest, I've used it once, finding Daz's interface easier to work with. I find Daz is way more user friendly but having said that, I hope Poser sticks around for a good bit longer yet. Nothing wrong with a bit of healthy competition and it will keep the Daz developers on their toes.
June 21, 2019 at 7:40 am #1127494Daz Studio isn't really 'free', that's just their sales model, the people that buy content are paying for it. I bought a copy of Poser Pro 11 when I was feeling pissed off with Daz over 4.10.0.123 messing up the shaders, never figured out how to use it. They could do with some training that takes you through loading a character and stuff and then rendering it. All the training I saw takes you through all the 'rooms' but then never brings it all together. Daz developed Dog 8 on the quiet while they were selling the Hivewire animals? Why does that not surprise me.
inc3d.June 21, 2019 at 10:45 am #1127648AnonymousInactiveRank:The points you make are spot on. Let's just hope that they can learn from past mistakes!
June 24, 2019 at 11:19 am #1131462@littlepleasures I agree.
I'd imagine Poser also took a huge blow after Rooster Teeth moved production of RWBY from Poser to Maya (rather than using Maya assets within Poser) after Monty Oum's passing. S-M couldn't use that as a marketing draw anymore for the program, relatively speaking.
Add to this, someone on the Daz forums stated that one of the powers that be at Rendo said they're "very new" to software development and that it'll be a while before they do anything major, software-wise, to Poser.
I don't know about anyone else here, but that doesn't inspire a whole lot of confidence.
Frankly, I think the generational gap is widening in regards to Poser: most people in my generation and onward are more inclined to use programs like Blender or Daz, simply because they are free, and even with paid-add ons, you can still find a wealth of free content to use with both. To someone like myself, Poser is archaic and mostly associated with really badly made fetish artwork on DeviantArt. Plus, a lot of the older content creators are either dead or have moved on to Daz. Rendo is going to have a lot of work to do in order to convince Millennials and Gen Z'ers that Poser Pro 11 is worth the price they're asking for, especially since it's woefully outdated and clunky by today's standards.
June 24, 2019 at 2:00 pm #1131621AnonymousInactiveRank:The only reason I even have Poser 11 installed, is because of all the stuff here and elsewhere that is "Poser ONLY", so I can try to fix the issues with importing them into Daz. Every time I've tried to use one of those spiffy looking "poser only" packages in Daz, it SOOO blows up on me, and looks like crap.
June 24, 2019 at 2:52 pm #1131679Rendo will try and duplicate the DAZ business model. Make money on the content. The problem is, afaik, Rendo doesn't have a team of developers to overhaul and support a modeling software. The old team at SM obviously didn't have the chops to keep up with the competition so, unless SM ownership was holding them back, having new owners whose expertise is selling someone else's content.
We'll see. I hope they do succeed. DAZ needs competition for both the app and a heavy hitting content store.
June 24, 2019 at 4:39 pm #1131786Wandering slightly off-topic here.
Personally I much prefer Rosity's marketing strategy to Daz's.At Daz, I dislike the following:
No easy way to contact the vendor & no customer reviews.
No way of knowing when a sales promotion is ending.
What kind of art community is frightened of nudity but fine with gore?
Daz's!
Now I am not advocating pornography, but it is really handy, if you can properly see a skin texture prior to purchase.
' Buy this & get a discount on that! '
Why can't they use coupons, like 'Rosity, and then you can buy what you really want?:0/
June 24, 2019 at 5:09 pm #1131815I think it'll be a year before you really see much on this.
They're going to have to hire a team and get them used to working on Poser.
Though I do see there being a lot of changes in the works. You don't make an investment like this simply to let it die. I think they basically want to duplicate Daz's model... and if they make it work with Daz content then I'm thinking they're going to do well.
Probably will involve some major changes but they know better than most if they let daz have its way, they're going to slowly isolate options and content until only the Daz store remains in an absolute unchecked monopoly.
June 24, 2019 at 5:28 pm #1131837I am happy that Rendo got Poser and I actually see a future for it. And working in both applications, I will say that I prefer Poser because of many things - clean, crisp, noise-free renders, short render time, lights that don't take a whole lot of tweaking are just a few.
And all the time I have been buying stuff there (and I have spent a lot of money there - and happily so), I have never thought that they were greedy or overpricing things. I wish I could say the same about Daz but I can't.
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