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I understand you want to encourage people sharing, it is obviously a sharing site lol But unfortunately most people just want to take without giving anything back, thats how the world is now 🙁
My ideas for that is collecting more points for sharing things, just an idea but say 100 points for posting something, then 50 points when someone downloads it, thats insentive for people to post. I do also like the idea of gift card rewards, I know I would certainly do everything I can to get those lol just my ideas 😀You got my support @anjaBear .
Thank you for everything you are doing here for the Zone.@Legolas18
Exactly right. You beat me to it with the example.
We all have read the antagonistic, name-calling, neurotic diatribe spouted by that 'alien Z'.
Don't fall for it. Best to weed out and ban such idiots.Anja - hang on in there 🙂
I can't believe some of the stuff posted on this thread.
You lose any right over what you shared the moment to shared it. People can't get all picky over what happens to something they have "pirated" and shared .. good for the goose, and all that .. anything else is just hypocritical..
However, to summarise some of the points ..
1) Trying to shame people due to their sharing history is a) pointless and b) immature .. there are many reasons why people don't / won't / can't share .. Any item can only be shared once, people short on cash, people posting anonymously through others. Personally, I'm somebody slow on the uptake - I'm about a week behind in the churn .. although I check on here daily, I'm mostly away from my computer and am not up to date on what's newly released. So by the time I see something on Daz / Rendo and think "ohh, I like that" .. it's more often than not already up here .. You can't punish or shame others just because you like to go out and buy stuff and share on day one.
2) Seeders DON'T seem to get rewarded enough in points. On the handful of things I have uploaded, I was surprised when I saw only 20 pts per "sale". I thought something had broken. However, for those people with 200k or 500k in points .. "more than I'll ever need" .. what's the problem? Why do you want more than 20 per "sale"? I don't see the issue .. it's an issue to those just joined and are looking to build up some points .. but then, why does a billionaire want another 100 bucks?
3) The main issue seems to be uploads appearing elsewhere within a few minutes. I can understand, certainly somebody without 10s of 1000s of points, thinking what's the point.
How about this for a solution .. (I don't know if Hunter could implement it or not).When there's a new upload .. have it cost a high number of points .. for sake of argument, 500 .. now, those with "more pts than I'll ever need" .. could still get it at the first opportunity .. whereas mere peasants like me, couldn't (or it would cost me quite a chunk).
Each day, the cost drops by a small amount - let's say 50 a day which means each day it becomes affordable to more and more people. And it keeps dropping day by day until it's at the base 50 pts.
What this means is the Harversters will either end up going "bust" if they want new uploads on their site on the same day - having to buy everything at extortionate prices .. Or they can wait a week and let Seeders get their reward.
Seeders will get a good pay off on what they upload (lets say they get the current 40% of cost .. so instead of 20 for something that costs 50, they get 200 for something that costs 500 initially) .. and because they'll be less opportunity to get it on other sites, more people will download on Zone. The pay off naturally drops off each day as the cost drops.
Because Seeders are getting a decent payoff - they more than likey have more pts to pay for things on day 1 of upload .. thereby completing the circle.
The Harvesters will HAVE to upload new stuff here to keep up with the Day 1 Harvest to their own site. That means more stuff shared on Zone.
Ok, this is off the top of my head .. and details might need refining .. but it's something like this that needs to be done to keep everybody happy.
I can confirm this. I haven't posted anything personally in almost a year. or maybe it has been a year. My Mega account is almost full so I have given items over to Monk to be posted several times. Monk has posted for me and I am sure he has for others. People, if you post and contribute then you are an active member of this community and have a say in how things are run. If you are just a conveyance of pts from administrator to poster then your only activity here is to show posters what content is more valuable to post. If Hunter considers that roll rewardable of 1/2 the value of an item per day that is his decision. If you are complaining about needing two days of log ins to aquire a Pro Bundle then I'm at a loss of words. That's if your issue is based on the change regarding pts. If your argument is about something else than this post doesn't concern that.
@thunda Not bad, bot bad… As option.
I like this guy, and his ideas)It's requires working time, but technically is possible implement this, i think.
I would even be happy to help with development. Already spent ten of thirty years from my life on web dev, so can do something)The sums will have to add up to work out the value of things .. but it could encourage more people to share. I can imagine downloading stuff is like getting a fix for some people who need to "download everything now" to satisfy their reptillian brain .. well, they might have to start sharing to get their fix or they're going to have to wait until they can afford things ..
At first, the Harvesters might have the points available to begin with - but eventually, they'll start to run dry if they want to harvest everything posted here on day 1 and upload it on their own site.
I've contributed a bit of stuff and I'm happy with the 50 pts I'm currently getting for visiting. A satisfied costumer... now that's a rare thing these days.
Perhaps, the answer to all this lies in changing the Terms and Conditions of this site?
Maybe extend a ban or warning to those who are found to be sharing on other sites?
This would
A) Respect the people who share on here both publicly and fulfill requests.
B) Drive traffic back to this site.It will not solve all the issues, but it will go some way to protecting the community here.
Taking points away from people for visiting only encourages people to use the other sites instead. The real issue is how to stop the other sites.
While I understand that there will always be a way to circumvent the rules, the same things happen in 'real' life too. It's not tax evasion if your accountant says it's OK, right?
The idea become not to stop people posting on the other sites, but to make it so difficult that it becomes just not worth it in the long run. A ban (short term or permanent) or a points fine should deter all but the most determined.
I keep seeing posters here saying that there are many other sites out there that contribute to the wild as much as Zone. I haven't found them. Are they public sites? Are they free sites? If they are private or paid sites, then they don't really count when compared to Zone, which is both public and free. Heck, you can't even find DAZ content on torrents anymore. At least nothing that isn't 5 years old or isn't already here.
However, if there are free and public sites out there that are as good as Zone (or have content different than Zone that isn't V.4 or Poser 3), please let me know. I'd like to check them out. You can PM me with the info you don't want to post them here.
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@barcgwcc you just have to google for the Product names, then you get to the sharing pages.
One I know from my Mind is 3d-load, fun fact: Someone posted there in the comments that it gets all from THIS (here) Site so... thats how I got informed about zone 🙂
I always just used 3d-load but its without any community, its just a 1-man Site.
I would say renderstate is also such a site 😉
Google is showing you so easy where to get the files ;)....tbh. I didnt knowed "this way" as I started, I got the Links via Tor from a 3D Forum.
Okay, I think Zemlon's just trolling at this point. The guy made a huge show of "I'm going away, you're gonna lose my valuable contributions", yet here he is, responding to threads.
Dude, you're a pirate whining about how other pirates behave. Get over yourself and get out. Can a mod please lock this thread?@spankyboy, oh I know there are a lot of sharing sites. But like you said, 3dload and render-share don't provide anything new. They just get stuff from here. And there are the Russian-based sites, the Chinese-based sites, the Korean-based sites and the herd-of-cats sties all over the place. But they don't get stuff that I don't see here.
As I said, I've shared stuff privately here that has never made it out to the other sites. I've done it less than a handful of times, but that tells me those other sites aren't the source of most of the things in the wild, Zone is. If I'm wrong, I ask again for someone to share these other free and public sites that are out there. If there's a site out there that produces even 10% of what Zone produces, it would be worth using.
From reading everything, this thread has managed to be a lot more civil than the other one. Importantly, it's also introduced a lot more voices to the discussion and some really good ideas have been put forwards.
Rather than locking threads, I would suggest that the threads themselves are actively moderated and that a "forum etiquette" is required and enforced.
As I said in the previous thread, what we have here that cannot be shared, stolen, downloaded or taken by other sites is our community.
With the way this site works, there is no earthly way to stop other sites taking from here. There aren't even adequate methods of tracking those who take from here to share to other sites. Without walling Zone off and making it extremely inaccessible (thereby defeating the point of the site) as well as heavily policing/ban-hammering people, things from here will be shared elsewhere and I think we just need to accept that.
Is the availability of content on those other sites stopping Zone from being what it is? Are any of us personally losing out because of it? Does it stop any of us here from sharing or creating? Do I lose sleep because something I posted here has appeared on 3Dload?
No. To all of the above.
An important life lesson - Value what you have and build on the foundations you've set, don't waste time complaining about things that cannot be changed and focus instead on what can be improved here.
@Zemlon - Can you just stop please? The nature of your posting is just unpleasant and you've not yet managed to be civil. You can quote Dostoevsky all you want but you've literally defeated your own argument by using your double edged moral sword without proper training.As you quite rightly pointed out, it cuts both ways. Therefore if you commit digital piracy by posting items here, you cannot complain about digital piracy being committed upon yourself. If you don't want to leave the site and you want to contribute, that's fantastic but for the love of all things, behave like a real grown up.
@anjabear - I would like to say a huge thank you and that I think you're awesome. From when I first joined here to now, you've been absolutely lovely and have helped me whenever I needed it. You've also filled my requests almost as soon as I posted them and I truly appreciate all the hard work and kindness you put in here.I've been around on the internet for a long time and, as a woman, have had every epithet and insult possible thrown at me purely because of my gender. There have been many times when I've despaired at the attitude people take because they're behind the safety of a screen or the anonymity of a nickname and it can definitely get under your skin. I'm truly sorry that you've had to deal with that as well and I am definitely glad that you're here.
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