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I do agree that art can be done poorly.
But then that is my opinion as a critic.As a self named daz artist, I though my contest post was at least in the top 3. So my vision isnt tuned in to others.
Othet than being a bit blurred (still working on that)
I though it was pretty unique view of Gemini.So what people consider good is only really relevant to that person. My taste in movies is different than some people I know.
@Dragon here is something you or other artists here also might like
https://ericbouffard.wordpress.com/matte-painting/@adam - if you art from scratch, it takes just as long doing things digitally as it does 'for real'. People spend hundreds of hours on accurate digital sculptures.
The difference is it doesn't cost you in materials, drying times, etc. Caveat: I'm not talking literally here, in real terms it IS faster doing things digitally due to the ability to rapidly recolour, shade, etc. without mixing paints and such but as far as 'art' time goes, there's as much process in digital)
As I said in my original response, the 'art' come in showing a restraint and doing things well, not doing things 'good enough'. It's easy to do 'good enough' digitally (unlike traditionally where even 'good enough' takes a level of skill) but to do things 'right' takes the same time and skillset regardless of medium.
A good example is there are plenty of digital artists who won't 'erase' while doing the final rendering... imperfections are an important part of art, and correcting them with a magical erase button doesn't help you improve... It's about restraint.
I would bet that most people that a good portion of people that use Daz could not model, rig and texture a full character. Also design and create clothes. Its a different medium and its hard to compare.
I person here put it that that it was like playing dress up with dolls.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pinterest.com/amp/cielopetitblue/barbie/
My sister has made entire outfits for the SCA.
I could not do that. But I could probably do it in a program.Hi to those ready for a contest,
I am posting the guidelines in a new room so they can easily be accessed and @Rob is in charge of everything as I really don't have time for that and from these guidelines you'll see how much it took to prepare them....a lot of work so see you in a new chat room my friends.....@Rob trying to PM you but got lost in the error pages and I just want to know if you're still ready to preside this contest for our beloved artists here. I am giving it all the points i have (27.000 ) and I am asking @Tomsk or @Monk to please transfer the points to you @Rob so you can start thinking about how to divide it among the winners and runner-ups and see if there are generous hands around. I am going to create a new post called Guidelines for Voters in Rob's Contest. The theme is FILM NOIR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_noir
I am going to put a PDF of these guidelines (not rules) to our contestants as well as to our voters for download so everyone knows what this is all about. I really spent a lot of time and even at the expense of family happiness for this so please everyone behave as artists. The 15-page PDF is called Guidelines for creating a Pleasing Image and is roughly something to start with...
I have read wonderful comments that gave me impetus to continue this work.
To voters: why it matters to read the guidelines because you'll be asking yourself the same questions about your OWN WORK one day and here you have the chance with practice to use them intuitively so you'll remember them and these guidelines will become automatic...@adam - that's why it's a good idea not to generalise. I personally can (and do) do all those things, including the sewing 😉 and a whole lot more. There are plenty of people who do digital art from scratch, spending huge numbers of hours, and making ridiculously good content. This may not represent the communities you're a part of, and perhaps you're really just meaning 'people who use DAZ to make pictures' rather than 'all artists'.
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It's is also something to think about when pirating content, even the person that made some fairly basic dress probably spent at least a couple of 8 hour days on it from concept to technical issues in the hope they'll make better than minimum wage. When you reduce 'digital art' to less than traditional media you're putting a judgement on the whole ecosystem that's supporting your hobby.
@jason - Your 15 page diatribe on 'good art' lacks anything to do with film noir, it would behoove you to put something about the actual genre of your contest in your contest guidelines.
@silverboaX What is the difference between Art and pictures. I consider what Ive posted in the art section both. I would be open minded for you to tell me what it would take for my pictures to be true art.
Also In order for me to get anywhere close to being able to paint or draw what Ive posted, I would have to be born with a different set of gifts. I have met truly gifted people that never needed an art lesson. just like some people can here a song once and play it. Daz is a way for me to express what I see and am unable to actually do they way I would like.
If there were a way, Id be willing to bet most people using this program consider their works a form of art. Also willing to bet they have nowhere near the artistic ability of truly gifted artists. Most probably have no idea of what anal critics that require mathematical precision and perfect color coordination are.
Yet they still strive to create art.
Art Definition: The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.A recent user posted everything needed to make a perfect art piece other than the spark of inspiration / imagination it will take to create the piece.
I think we're discussing something slightly different. The point i'm trying, and perhaps failing, to make... is that art is a lot of things. No art is more valid than another, whether you personally can do it, whether someone is gifted and can do it effortlessly, for most people art takes effort to create, whether they do it with a stone and a chisel, or whether they do it with tablet and digital clay.
Going outside and taking a snapshot of your dog with your mobile phone isn't art... taking a series of snapshots of your dog at 4pm every day for a month is. It's the intent, and the _idea_ that make a 'picture' (or insert artform here) into 'art'.
Similarly, throwing down a victoria 8, a base pose, and slapping some clothes on it isn't art but concepting a digital photoshoot, adjusting settings and placement until it matches your vision, and taking the time to make a nice render is.
It doesn't matter whether it's 'good' or 'bad' as far as being art goes... the art is in the idea... a building is art if it's supposed to be, a table can be art, and that snapshot of your dog can be art.
Following that one users guidelines without that idea, will also not create art* 😉 This is why pre- emotion-chip Data sucked 😀
*unless you want to make modern art, where taking a photo of someone else's art apparently counts as art 😀
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