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I like the way her third arm seductively caresses her back.... 🙂
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You tell all your friends how hard you worked to get the yard just right.That's like saying that an architect does nothing, because someone else made the manual labor. I think you are overvaluing the manual labor. I prefer the intellectual one.
Paul - "I like the way her third arm seductively caresses her back..."
I warned you it was wonky 🙂
I tried to re-animate it but the site said I'd reached my limit for the day = 1.
I cleared my web data and used a VPN to change my IP address but it said the same thing. How does it know it's me, or maybe the site has banned the VPN server.Fingerprinting, maybe?
Websites use fingerprinting, which allows them to identify your device, so it can tell that it’s you, even when using a VPN, and even with cookies disabled or cleared.
Fingerprinting is basically combining bits of information that your device allows websites to access, such as web browser version, screen resolution, fonts installed, drivers.
Most impressively, they also use your GPU to render a tiny image in the background. The way your GPU renders that image is unique to you. Even 2 GPU’s identical to each other with the same drivers installed would render that image slightly differently.
All this information combined lets a website identify you regardless of your I.P address.
The following website allows you to see what other websites can see about your device when you access them,
Click start, then fingerprint analysis. It will give you a canvas fingerprint number. That's unique to your device and the browser you're using.
Clear your cookies, close your browser, reconnect using your VPN. And check the website again to see if your canvas finger print number is the same.
If your device isn’t setup right, it will be the same every time. Showing that your device can be identified even when using a VPN.
You can also try it out here, by clicking test your browser.
https://coveryourtracks.eff.org/
Some web browsers are better at others when it comes to protecting your identity. I’d recommend Brave. It randomizes your fingerprint using various methods. Chrome on the other hand is probably the worst browser to use.
Thanks for that Geekaveli. The tracking link says "your browser has a randomized fingerprint". I'm already on Brave. The Analyzer one says I'm "running Win32 OS. Your browser is Chrome 140". incorrect. I wonder if the animation site will let me use Tor? I doubt it with java disabled.
Fair point but is the architect taking credit for building it or drawing it?
How would someone go about commissioning a Role-playing character for a tabletop game?
Wood elf, hair color, gender, outfit, weapon, class, ect... They give the artist as much of a description as possible then the artist puts on paper what they think the customer wants.What credit should the customer get? It is after all their money and their description.
What credit should the artist get? They spent their time actually drawing it.Should the customer be able to sign the bottom of the picture with the brush or should the artist?
I'll agree it takes time and some effort to type and constantly roll dice. Daz was one step for mankind to have an easy way to create art. AI is a giant leap away from that. Now that may change with the more abilities we get to control the outcome.
The last 2 images from the OP look like they may be from the same template/dice roll.
In some circumstances I can understand taking credit for some AI stuff. Perhaps an artist runs their work through it then goes in and manually modifies it. It just evades me how someone could type out a description then include tags like Giger, Cyberpunk then take credit for effectively plagiarizing anothers work.
I think you are overvaluing the manual labor. I prefer the intellectual one.
I think Ill stick with manual labor. Any one with a computer can do in 2 minutes what took this woman 2 years. believing she isn't intellectual because shes talented is an interesting perspective.
“Chrome 140”
Brave browser shares the same foundational codebase as Google Chrome. It’s based on the opensource Chromium web browser project developed by google. But has its own features and privacy protections on top. That’s why it’d appear with that value. (You can also add Chrome extensions from the chrome store to Brave, which is pretty cool)"running Win32 OS."
These values come from the navigator.platform property within the browser's JavaScript environment. Which usually points to what the browser was compiled for, not the actual system architecture its running on.Running Brave and having a randomized fingerprint means the website wasn’t tracking you that way. You also cleared cookies and aren’t logged in. So, I doubt they actually know it’s you.
Maybe they had other people using their browser-based service with the I.P address that was assigned by your VPN. Temporarily blocking that I.P address from using it again for a while. Or maybe they’ve just blocked known VPN, I.P addresses from using that service as they’ve been abusing it.
A lot of websites don’t run correctly without Java enabled. So, you're right. I doubt that’d work.
I usually just switch to a different server and use temp email address's to get around usage restrictions. Hopefully this is just a one off thing, and other websites don't clamp down on it the same way they have 🙁
@d0gg0d Commission something means there are two parties. Making an image with AI on a local computer means there is only one party. So the comparison doesn't stand in that case (although, it does if you do it on a paid website).
I'll agree it takes time and some effort to type and constantly roll dice.You haven't even read my first message. I showed you the work required. What you are saying doesn't apply for local generation at all.
out a description then include tags like Giger, Cyberpunk then take credit for effectively plagiarizing anothers work.By that logic, everything is plagiarized, even other people's work, since they plagiarized it from someone else.
believing she isn't intellectual because shes talented is an interesting perspective.Being able to draw, doesn't make you an intellectual. If you want to draw like that you need a lot of muscle memory and a lot of training, as well a love for the art to spend such huge amount of time training. Not a superior IQ.
Commission something means there are two parties.
Arguably using the AI to pick from others work means there are hundreds or even thousands, maybe millions of others involved in one image.
You haven't even read my first message.
Yes I read it. a ton of prompts and a map to roll dice on. I acknowledged it took effort to create. Its easier to re-click a template than retype it over and over then fill in the blanks. I guess I could say that the effort I put behind responding with these words I'm typing now is art of sorts then.
By that logic, everything is plagiarized,
Id say theres a fine line between inspiration and plagiarism. Lucas said there were several movies that inspired Star Wars. Perhaps he stole a bit from each but Id suggest that he changed it enough to make it his own. AI didn't write it for him.
Not a superior IQ
The artist may not be contemplating string theory but, I believe that it takes more IQ to select colors, blend colors, visualize an outcome before its on paper and apply a technique to achieve that outcome than it does to type out a description of what you want and let a computer decide what it thinks you want. Seeing the flood of AI images produced by anyone with a computer, It somewhat supports my perspective.
ChatGPT creates my prompts, not me. I just tell it to give me 10 prompts, indicating style, mood, etc, making modifications as I go
So you get AI to tell you what to type into AI? I'm probably missing something because Im not on the high IQ list and haven't used chatgpt but that doesn't sound very creative.
I can't argue with the roll-the-dice analogy Adam but for me that's a big part of the attraction. The anticipation of what will turn up next, the thrill of uncertainty, has a unique attraction in itself considering the rest of one's daily life is so drearily routine and predictable. I know that's not art or creative but I do enjoy the process anyway. I don't claim to be an artist any more than a DS user should.
I rolled a few dice and I felt that same addiction to the unknown and trying to guide the chaos.
"I made" a few image I stored somewhere. I thought they were pretty cool looking. My problem is I felt very little attachment to them. I know that it was more AI than me and it bothered me. I feel I have a bit more influence with Daz and though its not my morphs or my environment it feels a bit closer to me not rolling dice but perhaps playing chess. I get to move the pieces around and control the board vs playing Yahtzee.
Unless you're running some kind of off line AI. Anything you manage to create feeds the beast. Its not yours to begin with and not yours to end with. Perhaps that's the pirates dream and I'm not appreciating it?
I think that sums it up pretty well.
In both cases, use the software for what it is, enjoy it, but don't pretend it makes you an artist.
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Arguably using the AI to pick from others work means there are hundreds or even thousands, maybe millions of others involved in one image.That's like saying that commissioning from one artist is like commissioning from thousands. Art wasn't born in a day, but it is the cumulative work of thousands of people too. If it applies to AI, it applies to an artist too.
Yes I read it. a ton of prompts and a map to roll dice on. I acknowledged it took effort to create. Its easier to re-click a template than retype it over and over then fill in the blanks. I guess I could say that the effort I put behind responding with these words I'm typing now is art of sorts then.You are the one equating art to effort, not me.
Id say theres a fine line between inspiration and plagiarism. Lucas said there were several movies that inspired Star Wars. Perhaps he stole a bit from each but Id suggest that he changed it enough to make it his own. AI didn't write it for him.An artist and an AI both have the ability to plagiarize, but that doesn't mean that just because they are capable of something, they actually do it.
Seeing the flood of AI images produced by anyone with a computer, It somewhat supports my perspective.Seeing the low quality images produced by so called "regular" artists supports mine.
So you get AI to tell you what to type into AI? I'm probably missing something because Im not on the high IQ list and haven't used chatgpt but that doesn't sound very creative.That's because you use chat gpt to enhance the prompt, rather to invent it. ChatGTP tends to always make similar things. Either way, I enjoy creating art as an AI artist. Whether or not you want to acknowledge me as an artist or not, is completely irrelevant. Without me, those images wouldn't exist. AI doesn't do them on its own, and I wouldn't be able to do them without AI. Just like a wood carver wouldn't be able to carve wood with his bare hands. T
cumulative work of thousands of people
This is the "art" of my toddler. She has yet to start forming artistic rules and techniques. I doubt she is heavily influenced by any artist or style yet. She selected each color purposely and "may" have had a general idea of what she wanted. Ill suggest she had more control than rolling dice.effort, not me
I guess we agree that AI art takes little effort
capable of something, they actually do it.
Unless you're feeding AI all of your art on a private server then AI will reference all art attached to your prompts. Either that or I'm misunderstanding how AI works and it is sentient.
"regular" artists
Not sure AI is constantly pulling from poor images. Is someone feeding AI garbage or are you electing to include kindergartner prompts in your algorithm?
Without me, those images wouldn't exist
Without AI they would not exist. You seem to be taking the majority of the credit. Since I see tons of images that are near clones of each other flooding AI galleries.
Just like a wood carver wouldn't be able to carve wood with his bare hands
Give a sculpture a pencil and several could draw out a reasonable sketch.
Give a painter a set of pastels and most could come up with a decent work.
Id bet the vast majority of people who consider AI an art form are lost without AI.
Sure some will see it as a way to easily bypass turning days into minutes but more than likely most consider it something else.Comparing someone who uses AI against someone capable of this is insulting to them an at best ridiculous.
I enjoy several things. I dont consider most of them art. If you enjoy it that is actually a wonderful thing but attempting to pass yourself off as something more than a button pusher does you no justice as a person or a supposed intellectual.
Piece of paper and talent.
Software and talent
Very cool button clicking
Artist thoughts
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