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When fulfilling requests for DAZ3D content, are people posting the products publicly to the blog afterwards or just sending the products privately to all of those users willing to pay more than 50 points? Because I'm pretty sure I've seen requests filled many times but never saw the product being shared except to those who are PMing the buyer with a 2,000 point exchange or something.
I'm just curious what the etiquette is here. Because I figured the way that it worked is that you are enticing somebody by offering more points than the norm, to purchase a product and have it shared with all. You're doing a sort of service by:
A) helping others who cannot normally purchase content and,
B) trying to persuade somebody to buy something you also obviously cannot buy yourself.You might offer upwards of 2,000 points for a product that other people might only pay 50 points for but that's kind of the point, as maybe the 2k points that you didn't offer wouldn't have convinced somebody to help out in the first place. It's your opportunity to giving back and being generous.
When something isn't shared publicly and is just distributed to a private group, I can't figure out now how much a product is worth -- since you can normally 'buy' from the blog for 50 points. I see people offering 2k points, 1k points, 500 points . . . and when I notice the buyer seemingly has no interest in uploading the product for the public userbase, I basically have to PM them asking them how much they want for the product they are only sharing privately. Sometimes it might not even be available anymore despite how I know they still have the files. But there's a bit of an inconsistency here. Why are blog uploads 50 points (only 25 points going to your account when someone buys it) when people can clearly just resell products for a higher value if there's a request thread? Might as well just let people start assigning a price tag to what they upload to the blog. (This is sarcasm.)
I get it, it's their product to do what they want with but I thought there was a universal goodwill system given the nature of this website. I'm just now realizing I've probably missed out on some pretty decent products that have only been shared privately because I wasn't checking the forums all that often.
Any time I've purchased products that people are requesting, I always post to the blog. I don't believe in the creation of a system where only the wealthiest of point holders can afford the best products. And the best/most desirable products are always those which are typically being requested and then filled.
So, when a request is "filled," how long does the rest of the userbase, who might not have 1k+ points to spare, have to wait before it gets posted to the blog? Because that's how it should work but it doesn't always seem to be the case.
Either the person who filled the request should upload it to the blog by X amount of days, or the OP who made the initial request should get to do it if someone else does not.
It is laid out here:
https://zonegfx.com/forums/topic/request-thread-rules/
These are best practice rather than truly enforceable rules.
The fall back position is that any member is free to post to the blog after the period of grace has expired.
My general rule is to post within a few days of filling the requests. I wish there was more options with schedule posts (instead of 7 days - maybe 3), then I would use that, so someone else don't post it to the blog before me.
Quite often with requests these are new items that get released on the websites. So there is the demand for them also.
@Ethiopia - "I feel that this is probably greed..."
They probably want extra points for posting it in the general blog themselves instead of someone they sold it to. I can understand that and that's why there's a one week rule to allow it, then it's up grabs for the requester first then anyone.
Ideally "The supplier.. should state when fulfilling the request whether they intend to post the item publicly..". Don't think I've ever seen that stated on any of the filled requests threads.Personally I find the "Do not share" policy as a good way to avoid people using your link to post to the blog or posting it publicly anywhere else. The beauty of keeping the links in the DMs is that your Mega account or Google drive will be more or less safer from being shut down from receiving strikes by the copyright holder(s). I can't say how many mega accounts I've had to open after only posting a few items.
Really there is a safer time to post items, even the less staunch copyright holders would want to strike down a product if it's one of their newer ones. Let them make a bit of money then post it when it gets a bit aged. Members that really need it can still PM the fulfiller and get the private link.
It's good to also mention that items that get posted on the blog also tend to be posted to the other sites, almost immediately too (site's like Render-state, 3d-load and the likes, non membership type).
This tends to alert the copyright holders pretty quickly.I guess if it was explicitly understood that you would post a new copy of the files on your own mega accounts then post that link to the blog, it would be less problematic for fulfillers. Though simply making copies on mega or using the 'add to account' doesn't actually make it unique, it still leads back to the original somehow.
It'd also be nice to have the ability to update links on our blog posts whenever they go down without having to create a new post. Managing links is extremely time consuming, especially if your mega account dies from a strike. That's potentially many other posts going down too.
That's just my take though, perhaps it is greed keeping people from posting afterall. I see it more as simply it being an inconvenience yet still wanting to post it eventually (they were the ones that spent their hard earned money on it after all).
"Let them make a bit of money then post it when it gets a bit aged."
I'm in complete agreement with that. Most PAs would make 90% of their money within a week or two of publishing so let them do that. If sharing gets too aggressive some might say fuck it and give the whole game away. I'd even be happy with a 2 week grace period on sharing so we don't kill the geese that lay the golden eggs.@Placentasalad "When something isn’t shared publicly and is just distributed to a private group, I can’t figure out now how much a product is worth — since you can normally ‘buy’ from the blog for 50 points. I see people offering 2k points, 1k points, 500 points . . ."
My standard is 300 minimum (for inexpensive products), 500 typical, and 1000-3000 for expensive or rare products. Most requesters tend to follow this guide.
The "how long does the rest of the userbase...have to wait before it gets posted to the blog?" topic has been discussed many times here. Do a search and you'll see several (contentious) points of view. 😉
I share as soon as I purchase if its requested, I then wait a week to share to the blog, as that are what the rules say. (Sometimes I do forget but share eventually!)
I have noticed that a lot of members share for points and then don't post, I find it annoying.
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