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  • #1824487
    LivingPixels
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    @viai

    Iโ€™m not too deep into the hobby (mostly DAZ on and off the past six-ish years, but my once-mighty desktop is now 10, so that pumps the breaks). If DAZ is the toy, then what is the next step up? I see Cinema 4D, 3DS Max, etc. but when you go from freemium to a few hundred dollars a month, thatโ€™s a tough pill to swallow. Is there a program that could use DAZ assets (Iโ€™m guessing through a bridge plugin) that the hobbyist can afford and do it better?

    As others mentioned, Blender is a solid option. Since version 3.0 it has become much more robust with a far less unintuitive UI. Although it’s not quite primed to be an industry standard it can and does do everything that a professional 3D artist needs. For anyone who wants to get into the animation side of things I would also recommend taking a look at options like iClone (not free but a useful tool for the price) and Unreal Engine. Even with these options Daz can still be a useful for character creation with some effort put into exporting and conversion.

    If your desktop if 10+ years old then most 3D software might present some difficulties with general operation but especially with rendering. Have patience and follow some good tutorials. When you have a reasonable idea of the path you want to take you’ll also have a better idea of the specific hardware upgrades you’ll want to make. Working with 3D is not a cheap hobby in any case and, generally speaking, it is very hardware driven. You don’t need a Threadripper and a 3090 Ti to get good results but having at least mid-tier hardware that is within 2 generations of the latest is probably a decent starting point, if only for compatibility and stability.

    If anyone chooses the Blender path and is starting with no practical 3D knowledge (ie most users of Daz Studio) then I cant stress this point enough: Follow the donut tutorial from Blender Guru on YouTube. It is the quickest and easiest way to learn Blender. The whole tutorial is designed to familiarize anyone with the UI and key tools in Blender in a practical way. I would also suggest that even those who want to stick with Daz grab a copy of Blender and follow the tutorial. It can be a very useful tool for creating custom props or converting/customizing standard 3D models for use in Daz.

    #1824497
    VIAI
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    Yeah, I’m way overdue on a hardware upgrade – I’m (impatiently) waiting for the new motherboards/CPUs/GPUs that are set to be out near the the end of the year.

    I’ll have to give Blender a try again – when I last used it the interface was pretty rough. Thanks for the suggestion!

    #1824593
    Larry
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    @frank22 Well, when you have all this screen (the expression, head and body morphs not included) Genesis 8 Female becomes inoperable.

    And there are other problems like the disappearance of items from the “Content Library” folder ( all Genesis uses), fortunately there are tricks to make it reappear…

    With the habit one lives with ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Not good to siterip…

    #1824606
    Frank21
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    I think you might be supporting my “spring cleaning” recommendation Larry @Gelstat. I know that any prog worth it’s salt shouldn’t slow to a crawl like DS, but we have to live with what we’ve got. Others have made different work-arounds about split runtimes etc.
    I can’t explain why but I’ve never had anything disappear from my content library, but it may be because I don’t have the population of China in my character data folder.
    Because I usually make comics and work on specific projects, I categorise my characters like toon/game/realistic, etc. I’m wondering if it would help if when installing one could also install characters/clothing to separate runtimes so not everything it lumped together and bloat the data folder. That would require a bit of forethought about how you want to use the content in the future. And might lead to a mess of runtimes where you forget where things are.
    It would obviously be much better if the long awaited DS5 was to fix the issue of loading all morphs, but given their record, I’m not exactly holding my breath on that prospect. Personally I reckon we won’t see any DS5 and DS as we know it will disappear and will become a cloud-based subscription app. like Photoshop that can scan for and detect pirated software. The sell-out of Daz.com to Tafi pretty much confirms that direction.

    #1824611
    Larry
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    @frank22 Dividing the content on a single run of DAZ is useless, I use 4 SSDs but as they are connected to this run, daz will look for morphs in ALL the disks…
    The only solution I found without cleaning all the disks as I said before is to use G3.
    You should use the official version (g8 load 20sec without my mess) to make a game or a comic and the rest on the beta to make or search content by moving the used assets to the official daz version.

    Or we should also clean the dsf, 8800 lines “Formulas” are required for morphs !? We should keep only the “Formulas” that add specific morphs “PHMxxx”, “ctrl”, etc. Would going from 9500 to 700 lines save time ???
    In the LOG there are always formulas this, formulas that but if you delete everything, daz will have less to read and if he reads less it goes faster right? xD I’m starting to ramble
    In addition deleted these lines resolve in a majority of the cases the famous “Duplicate IDs”.
    But G3 works well in my mess so that’s cool. I am not interested in G8 anyway

    I learned to manage my mess ๐Ÿ™‚

    #1824612
    Frank21
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    Thanks Larry. I didn’t know that separated runtimes would load other runtime data on all connected disks. It kind of makes the idea splitting runtimes for anything other than G3 worthless. I welcome other opinions.

    #1824616
    Larry
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    I tested this solution on my C: drive in the daz installation with only the starters, I had to increase again the loading time with identical starters spread over 2 ssd…

    The only solution is not to stuff too much daz unfortunately, even turbo charge is useless if you have the cursor hourglass as soon as you click on part of the body g8, and it can last until 1 min the hourglass… The Chinese people row ahah

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    #1824621
    Frank21
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    So back to my “spring cleaning” suggestion? These days I usually only DL characters for their textures if they’re good. I have enough morphs for what I want considering that most Daz characters are basically from the same sausage factor. And you have to appreciate the Chinese… the new superpower that has replaced the US as top dog.

    #1824622
    Larry
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    Well, apart from deleting what you don’t use, there’s not much to clean up. And it’s a pain to do. You can also delete the “Templates” hidden sometimes in the textures folder, the “3de” folder if you use only iray, the “store”, “visit” dsa/img artist. That’s what I do every time I unzip a zip xD

    Well, without made in china we would have less high-tech stuff so let them rule the world. The US has your chance, but considering what you’ve done with it… I love Chinese and jap ๐Ÿ™‚

    #1824843
    John09
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    Can’t you use 2 separate morph folder? I remember my G8F loading time was like 1-2 min long and I didn’t want to remove my characters/morphs. Then I read about the use of 2 separate morph folder. One is just the basic morph I use mostly and the second one is filled with all my char/morphs.

    By default, only the basic morph folder directory is specified in Daz, so it can’t find all other morphs. If I need other char/morph, I can just second morph directory in daz.

    #1824985
    Larry
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    @john09 The problem of this technique is that the morphs present in the added in the content folder are not added in the menu. No updating.
    screen

    I’m not going to make a screen of all my mess, I don’t want to wait 15/20min (8.1 is longer than 8)

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