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@d0gg0d that may be the case but why not use that as incentive to improve rather than pulling down the person who has put the effort into learning those techniques? Honest question....because tall poppy syndrome doesn't compute for me.
@evilmonkey Thanks.. I'm not really trying to shut anyone down, per se, just let others know that there are other tools out there to use in conjunction with 3D programs.
Honestly, if I was only painting and not using a 3D program at all, I could understand the comments. But thats not what its about. The over all feel is that I should only be using 3D.It may be that since they are not able to do this it would be considered an unfair advantage.
The internet is another wonderful tool to use in educating oneself. Lots of communities out there to ask questions and LEARN..
If you have a person that is truly gifted in multiple formats they will normally win. If im capable of customizing a character in Zbrush, creating clothing, inproving textures and am skilled in PS and most other 3d formats its kinda pointless to compete.
A- I don't believe thats true here, or in most Daz/Poser communities. Its more of a mindset. (I don't wish to partake in that discussion because I'd just piss people off.)
B - egads.. Pointless to compete? Good art doesn't always win. And if you flip that, competing against better artists should be a challenge in order to learn and improve and push ones skill(s). Thats how 'I' think of it anyway. It gives one a goal to work towards.Back in the day... (jumps in WAY BACK BACK BACK machine) I saw a video game in a 7-11 one day. There was a guy playing Asteroids. He had extra ships lined up in rows across the top. I was awed. But I wanted to do that too. I'd never played before. It was months before I got a chance because he was always there and he just kept turning the machine over off of one quarter. I watched him for hours. He finally said here, have a go. I failed miserably time and time again. But I kept at it. We started playing against each other. I think it was about a year later, I competed against him in an Asteroid tournament. I won, and I was now him. An Asteroids Expert.
@nemain OK, so I never heard that phrase before and just learned something new. LOL
@drgnmztr lol sorry hun, I forget which are aussieisms and which are widely known.
Oxford dictionary time:
Tall poppy and tall poppy syndrome are well-attested Australianisms and refer to a tendency in Australian society to try and cut down people who are considered to be too successful or prominent (cutting the tall poppies down to size). Australians generally don’t like others to do too well, or (to use another popular Australian term) to ‘big-note’ themselves.
I love retro games but would never want to go back to them 100%.
The internet can only teach you how and what to do, It cant do everything for you for the most part.
I could try to be like this guy but, I don't think the internet would help greatly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_van_BeethovenIMHO there are some that art comes natural. They have not need for training and training only enhances thier gift. Then there are some that practice and study and learn trough effort. Then there are those that are not gifted and even if they sturdy and practice, the payoff is minor.
If everyone had the artistic ability of Leonardo da Vinci with a bit of Andrew Wiles intelligence and guitar abilities of Jimmy Page, the athletic skills of Michael Jordan who would be special?
Some people can and some cant. Thats life and to think reading a few pages of anything or a couple years of training will transform a person into a master is optimistic.
I do agree that insulting doesnt help and criticism should be tempered kindly so it helps rather than hinders. that said, if a person has no talent they may need another route.
Like the contest for winners we just had for losers and the one for winners. Life isnt always a safe place. people lose and not everyone can play professional base ball.
Some will resent it others will deal with it.@d0gg0d I don't believe that art can't be learnt. There maybe people that don't see the world as "artistically" as others but things can be learnt. It just needs a few moments of clarity for things to click into place, the same as any skill. But it does requires some persistence. Luckily art is a subjective field and what some people may like, others may hate and vice-versa.
When I look at a picture, I like to ask myself if I like it or not, then what do I like or hate about it and why. I then try to figure out what was being accomplished in the work and what I think did or didn't work. The questioning on your appreciation of a picture helps build your own values on what makes a picture good or bad and will help your own art improve. The same could be said of Baseball and studying how others play and letting that information influence your progression.
Not sure I fully understand but pehaps the technique can be improved. As time goes on and the artist practices they improve. Musicians practice relentlessly and some need more practice than others. Its a rare bird that can join a group with no practice and play by ear. My life observation is there are people that are gifted / prodigys that certian things come easy or natural. Then there are people with talent / skill that can be improved with practice. Then there are people limited because of something be it genetic, physical or mental issue that may or may not be able to overcome with great effort. I guess lastly there are those that just cant.
A blind man could not drive in New York Traffic 30 miles without some assistance mechanical or personal.
A person with severe muscle issues cant bench 500 pounds and a person with dwarfism cant slam dunk a regulation basketball net.
As bad as I would like to sketch life like scenery and people something is stopping me. Be it mental or physical I suk. Thats reality and I accept it.
@d0gg0d The Asteroids story was only a reference.
I never said the internet can do everything for you. Thinking that would be ridiculous. I said one can use it to learn. I have a lot of artists friends who have gone to school to be artists and a LOT of them say they've learned more on the internet than they ever could/did, in school AND, now wish they'd NOT spent all that money for school. The internet isn't just for porn and shopping.
Also, as far as music, I know nothing about it and I don't know whats on the internet pertaining to it as far as learning. But I'm not talking about music.
10 years ago I couldnt paint worth squat. I used the internet, and still do, to LEARN how to paint digitally. I honestly don't grasp color and its always scared me. NOW, people are constantly praising me for my use of color. I'm not a master, but I'm doing something right. And I'm always pushing myself to learn more. Just looking at the internet didn't make me an artist. I had to practice and learn more skills. Before the internet, I looked at books and studied other artists work.
Frank Frazetta was doing comics at the age of 5. HE was a prodigy. Natural talent. But he also went to school for it. He practiced.I'm not saying there aren't different levels. I'm not saying everyone can draw as well as Frazetta.
But you have your mind made up. You won't change it if you don't want to understand. But I speak from experience. The internet is a wonderful tool for learning, no matter how much nay saying you do.
You can literally search youtube and find THOUSANDS of videos teaching people how to draw, paint, use DAZ Studio and a lot of other programs.
But I digress. My comment wasn't about people who can't draw, paint or use Daz/Poser. It was about people here who work with afore mentioned.
However, as far as impediments, a closed mind will never learn, or even know if they have the ability to, or not.
Honestly, I haven't come across any trolls here crying about postwork, but then I haven't browsed the contests all that much except to admire a few renders here and there. I've always assumed postwork was a given; all the best instructors and tutorials I've read always touch on it in one way or another, from a passing mention, to the main focus.
Honestly, I've striven with my old (now dead) potato machine to produce the best possible results using ONLY DAZ to hone my skills... and I can get pretty good results without postwork- BUT- I have normally never posted work that wasn't touched-up at least to tame hot pixels or strengthen a bit of shadow for focal effect, and in a large number of cases, a 2D graphic editor was most necessary to composite many layers which as a whole were COMPLETELY not render-able on my machine (hanging for days, or straight-out crashing).
You should feel proud that trolls are harshing on you for postwork, it means that the final product you present surpasses anything they could offer!Had a lengthy response and it went poof for some reason.
Simply put I think we are misunderstanding each others point.The original post says people dislike post.
Im trying to give examples of why they may feel like this.
Threatened, overwhelmed, unfair, what ever.
Ill never out do MJ in basketball why try? know your limitations. MJ didnt know his and went out for pro baseball and didnt last long.I do little post, not because I cant its because im lazy.
Others may think its cheating. Some may think its unfair.
I know I wouldn't want to bet $1000 on a contest with some of the talent here. It gives me a goal I might be able to grasp but, If there were professional 3d artists here then the balance is skewed. I dont mind a challenge but im not for fighting a losing battle.Adam, I didn't say in my OP that people disliked my work. Just commenting that my art isn't completely DAZ/Poser, i.e., 3D rendered. As if to say it should be nothing but 3D.
As far as reasons go, it doesn't matter. My answers to any possible reasons stands if they are here on this site.
Don't bitch, don't score me less, don't have negative feelings because of my technique or give me snarky remarks because of ones own personal current inability.I'm not breaking any rules. I'm not cheating.
MJ.. Yeah, him and his freaking Bulls beat my Sonics out of a Championship. He's damn good (if not THE BEST) and if he'd not been on the team, my Sonics would have won.
That being said, he was obviously in a league of his own, but my Sonics played against him and the BUlls anyway.If I had the chance to play against MJ, I'd jump at the chance. (get it? lol) I can't play B Ball and am a white boy that can't jump. But I'm not going to comment on his shoes because he wears Air Jordans over Adidas. (and he almost went with Adidas instead of Nike because he prefers Adidas).
My point being, I know my limits, but I'd still compete against MJ. I appreciate his talent.
Another point. Even though he didn't make it in baseball, he still challenged himself instead of making snarky comments.I totally get what you're saying, Adam. I could of said the same thing about Frank Frazetta. (My GOD and my Lord Master, mentor and greatest artistic inspiration). He was a genius and the best. But if I had, I wouldn't be an artist. I wouldn't be going to conventions to sell my work or be asked to be a pro artist on panels at conventions. If fact, you want to know what the greatest compliment I get on my artwork is?
"Your work reminds me of Frazetta(s)".
Even above the color praises. I have a different style than Frazetta, but the reference being in the category of the master himself is HUGE!
I'll never a be a Frazetta. I'll never be a Boris. I'll never be a lot of great artists. But I don't have to be. My favorite quote to end this post:
"Don't be a second rate me. Be a first rate you". - Frank Frazetta
@amberkat its anonymous comments to me. Not out in the open forums.
I just wanna chime in on the "everybody can be an artist" standpoint. To some extent, yes. Everyone can find something they're moderately good at (or better) - usually.
But the claim that you can learn to be an artist... I don't agree. You can for the most part learn the technical stuff. Everybody can learn how to draw a straight line, or a circle, freehand (as long as you don't have parkinson). That does not make you an artist. Nor does practice, by itself. Artistry sort of demands talent. Without talent, you're mediocre, at best, because you fail the one thing that most well-known artists have mastered, creating something unique. Without any talent, you will in 99% of cases just keep on copying (and by all means, sometimes improving) other's work.
The Internet is great for learning different techniques, how to use programs, and so on. I would still say that plenty of what you learn in art school is more traditional, and also more the basics behind many of the theories, which you often don't even touch upon when doing your own learning on the Internet. You might use the golden ratio / rule of thirds instinctively (again, if you have a bit of understanding of what works), but you might have no idea why you use it, besides "it looks better like that", nor what it's called.
The schools teach you theory behind colors, different color-spaces, and so on, they bring you information about different styles over the years, teaches you what painters were influential and so on - background info, that will not help you become a better artist yourself, directly, but gives you a solid fundation to build on.
Which many self-taught people from the Internet lack, because it's not "important" or "doesn't actually improvde my PS-skills".
Regardless. True artists are not only technically apt, they have an eye, ideas, talent. Most people aren't true artists, and while they can come close, and be very good at what they do, there is still a distinct difference.
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