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You are being a silly billy.
Nobody is looking for the objectively best skins, that would be retarded.
This is about looking for the inter-subjectively best skins.
Everything about aesthetics is subjective and comes down to opinion that's why "best skin is subjective" is a redundant statement to make.
Since it's already implied that when talking about beauty it's all about the opinions of subjects. Asking "what is the best skin" doesn't require the explicit addition of 'subjectively' or in 'your opinion'.One would think so, but since there were some that strongly disagreed with me, apparently that is not so. There's many who think its not opinion at all.
"I" think the goal is realism. I don't think reality can be debated unless you go off on some ridiculous philosophical rant. What makes a texture look realistic to each individual could be debated. Is it the imperfections in the skin, the color, the reflections, the veins or a combination of how they work together or something else entirely? Show a picture to 100 different people and you're likely to get a lot of different opinions. However you are also going to find people agree on certain things. If it's a picture of an apple tree then most people will agree it's an apple tree. Some may argue it's a tree with red oranges. Now it might have been the artists intent to make a red orange tree but that's not what most see. Right or wrong they'll conclude it's an apple tree based on personal experience. Based on what people look at and perceive as real is reasonably universal. That said my wife occasionally will bring me videos and ask me if they are real. A lot of times they aren't but sometimes I can't tell. When you can't tell or have to look 2-3 times then you've done your job.
That said "the best" IMHO will be the one most people agree on. It could be that 3 out of 100 people have enhanced anti-reality detection but I'll join the sheep on this one. The more people an image fools the better it is. The easier it is to get quality results without modifications the better it is for the generic user.
I'm very open to being proven wrong provided you can post evidence. Compare any G8 to G8 you believe is superior and I'll add it to my library if it's not already there.
Compare any G9 to G8 in a torso shot under the same conditions. If the results are amazing and can't be applied to G8 I'll give G9 another chance.
Im not after my ego I'm after results.
I unfortunately seem to be unable to achieve any better results with G9 and few realistic results with G8. There is an art section and it's normally empty.
Feel free to post for bragging rights or clarification.When something cannot defined by actual FACTS and figures, then even if 1000 out of 1000 people all agree on the best, its still only opinion (the most popular). There is literally no disputing this, no matter how much people want to scream, stomp their feet and moan. This is not disputable. Not even gonna waste time on this nonsense further. Even if 100% of a million agree its the best, its still opinion. Unless there's actual criteria in place to determine the best, and facts to back it up something meeting the criteria, then its opinion.
You base your observation on an opinion to counter an opinion.
A bell ringing sounds like a bell it doesn't sound like a cat meowing.
People with normal senses of touch picking up a burning ember will say it's hot. They may experience a different heat, burn or discomfort but it's still hot.
The basics of what something is doesn't change. A 1000 People who know what a dog is when shown a picture of a dog will agree it's a dog. They may disagree with the dogs breed and possibly color but it won't change the facts that it looks like a dog.
I'll try and post something once I get to my computer
Would you say "most" women would find this guy attractive?
While things are generally an "opinion" a society based around specific criteria generally accept it as a fact.
While the difference between Daz textures may be splitting hairs and based on opinions. Those opinions are probably grounded on some sort of factual reference.
That's because examples you posted are not opinions, those really are examples of facts. One is verifiable not real, theres no disputing and theres no opinion there. Its provable. Its a fact, its not opinion. So yes, in that case you are correct. Now if you said one was BETTER than the other, thats an opinion.
This is real easy stuff dude, I dont know if you're trolling or what? I mean they literally teach small children this shit at the grade school level.
Wow, all this discussion how to make 3d dolls not look like dolls. Fact, they will look like dolls no matter what skin you put on. It really makes no difference, because most of those dolls look alike anyway.
Light reflecting off a real skin isn't an opinion. It provides the eye with information. If I think that real person looks fake because of makeup. That interpretation isn't an opinion it's a fact because my senses see it as fake and to me it looks fake. If you ask me if I think it's attractive to look like a mannequin then we are getting into opinion territory.
If you cosmeticly alter a dog to look like a cat it doesn't make it a cat.
If I see it as a cat I'm wrong and you fooled me.The goal is to fool people into thinking it's real or as close to real as you can get. One texture will do this better than all others. There is one fastest person on the planet. There is one strongest person. One tallest one shortest ect... and there is one texture for Daz capable of doing this better than all others. Now there may be a dozen opinions as to which one it is but there is only one opinion that is a fact.
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It's an endless debate. Since you feel they all look alike I can save you a lot of time, effort, Harddrive space and frustration. Stick to V4 or G3 and don't look forward only look back. That or drop Daz and go to AI.
Already switched to Blender. Steep learning curve for an old fart like me, but I am having fun. Skin is easily created by combining different skins together, that is how I work. I learned to create skin material by watching tutorials, using other formats than Daz. Realism isn't in the skin you use, but in the eyes. Most eyes look unreal and dead in any of the Daz models. Sadly, most "creators" of models, stick to a fixed formula. Most of MSO female models look alike. MB female models look alike. And there are more of those. If you have 1, you basically have them all.
My "opinion" on most the content creators from Daz is similar to yours.
They seem to develop one skin and make minor modifications. One general body/facial structure and make minor modifications. There are a few exceptions but not many. I'd be a little more forgiving and say if you own 3 you could probably dial in any other character they offer.Im not to old to start messing with a different program but I am to lazy. If I change now, I'd rather just type a word salad into an AI and pop out whatever the computer thinks I want.
Result I've tried so far take little effort, provide reasonable results and little time is needed. It's the click button make art solution and IMHO opens creativity while simultaneously destroying it.
I find it odd people don't share the art they so strongly believe is superior to what Daz venders supply.
Not tried anything AI and no desire to try either. But to be fair, I've seen some stunning results. Not in the people department, but a little more in the fantasy stuff.
I love 3D, currently trying to learn Unreal together with Blender. I love the process of creating, research for projects. Learning different techniques, just leaning in general.
I was a Poser user for many years, made the switch to Daz Studio a couple of years ago, but it brings nothing new anymore. The models look the same, way too little male figures, and most of them make me think of the song "Dude looks like a lady" from Aerosmith xD.
Hi @antharaes, I have also switched to Blender for most of my stuff. Mostly because the render engine blows DS away in both performance and output. That and DS is a complete resource hog while Blender hums along nicely without destabilizing every time you add something. However, I haven't had much luck with skin mats. Any recommendations on tuts? Thnx.
Those helped me out a lot. There are some great skin mats here on this site. 3d-sk. It takes a lot of patience and mostly it's trial and error, but it's fun to learn. You can use any other skin from daz, without the HD and modify those. Hope it helped, have fun and good luck.
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