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Mr. Sparky is closing his freebie site. Grab them now.2. The rise of AI:
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of AI. Particularly as some of these tools allows creators to do things in minutes that would take months to make. But it's a technology that I, like many other content creators and vendors, can't compete with. Especially how it often can make content for free, which directly risks the income of creators who choose to sell their skilled efforts.@d0gg0d, I've only seen one service offering AI created 3D items and a review of them said they where complete garbage. It looked like nothing more than another sleazo equity firm trying to get stupid people to invest in it so that they could screw off with the money.
I wouldn't be worried about it.There are many, many AI services that convert, for instance, images to models. One was free with limited daily tries. Others wanted me to sign up for 'free' use using Google, FB, etal. No thanks.
Anecdotally, I tried a free one and it did the job, though it didn't create clean topology. But clean topology (organized and efficient) is a subjective concern of humans, not necessarily AI. Of course, that's as of right now. And free conversion sites aren't using particularly advanced AI. I'm absolutely certain more advanced AI can make AI models with Stonemason quality in seconds given enough prompting or imagery from which to resolve.
And given the observable historical progress of technology, it will soon exceed it's current limitations. All technology starts out prototypical. If it gains acceptance it becomes 1) comparatively cheaper, and thus 2) more widespread, and 3) relatively better. Look at the progression of firearms over the past two centuries, or automobiles over the past century, or cellular telephones over the past half century, or the internet over the past quarter century as examples. All of them produce consequences that diminish the previous held standard. AI is no different. Some people still practice archery. Others ride horses. Some still write letters. And some people will continue to make pictures with
charcoaloops, I meangraphiteoops, I meancrayonsoops, I meanmarkersoops I meanPoseroops, I meanDAZ Studiooops, I mean...@3demon, You present an excellent argument that I might (reluctantly) have to agree with. I've been fiddling with first photogrammetry, and now guassian splatting. My results are mixed but some folks are getting excellent results. One of my friends at the archaeology department in the local government archives has been building 3D models of local landmarks and his results are excellent. Still, it needs a LOT of human coaxing to build followed by lots more fixing as the algorithms still don't understand proper topology.
And I still enjoy working with a pencil, graphics pens (a collection of ancient but excellent Rapidograph pens), and my airbrushes. Physical media is just so satisfying.
Kinda like sex.
🙂Hello, I'm not so sure about future progress of AI; sure, it's been improving rapidly, but there's also the growing problem of hallucinations, and real world constraints like energy, cost and hardware. The devil is in the details and improvements get exponentially harder to achieve. I think its progress is going to be similar to a sigmoid function like Gompertz's or logistics. The hard thing to tell is at which point of the curve we are at this moment, but I feel that we are higher than expected.
There could be anytime a technological breakthrough that would redraw this curve, but I wouldn't take it for granted. Only time will tell.
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Wouldn't it be amazing if someone would create a devise that could press print onto paper? We could call the product a 'book'. But what would probably happen is that so many 'books' would be printed that no one could possibly read them all. It was a dumb idea. Forget I mentioned it.
@3demon, A fun phenomena is the lending library. Many folks put a small box with some books inside by their driveway next to the sidewalk ( https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+small+lending+library&t=brave&ia=images&iax=images ).
There's a few down our street including mine. I usually read one book a week. I lean towards science but am in the middle of 'Nearly Normal' by Cea Person. It's a wonderful read.
Our two local universities switched to real books a few years ago as it was found that people retain stuff better by reading it out of a book vice from a monitor.I think it would be a better idea if someone invented a way to take those books and convert them to a digital format that could be read on a computer. We could put an entire library on a device that fits in a pocket. Eventually we could tell AI to write us a book using a description of what we enjoy and then read it to us while we tell AI to make a book cover and perhaps a movie.
Robotics in industry reduced jobs. Sure they created a different need for different jobs but I'd argue it reduced the need for more people. AI has or will have the capacity to design an entire car.
A couple days ago I went in drive thru and AI took my order. I'm considering not going back.
I'm not clear as to why the site suggests AI is a reason for closing but I suspect its because he knows the eventually outcome. There have been several people leave Daz for AI. TONS of AI "artist" have flooded the internet with slop. Memes are now AI generated. Music AI. Short movies AI.
In a relatively short time AI has exploded to the point its overwhelming.
I cant even do a simple image search without getting half AI crap.The cell phone affected landlines.
Photographers. People who sell calculators and cameras. I get most of my news while I'm on the phone. People check email and text so no need for large computers or snailmail. I can video chat with people on the other side of the planet. While the phone does rely on outside technologies, it pulls so many into one convenient hand held device.AI will pull in technology from everywhere and affect everything.
A few lazy or tech incompetent people will still pay for commissions but artist getting paid for character commissions is dead. Probably in the near future music composers are dead. Writers dead. Poser has been dead its just to stubborn to realize it. AI is slowly poisoning Daz.Despite cellphones, tablets, Kindles, Nooks, desktops, laptops, television screens, and more, paper books and magazines are still produced and sold in large quantities. Because people will buy them. Until digital books, it wasn't so simple to pirate a book. It was done; it just wasn't simple. Digital books should have obliterated the paper book industry. But they didn't.
In the 1800s, it was believed that women absolutely should not ride on locomotives. The speed of locomotives would destroy a woman's uterus. Utter nonsense, of course...in hindsight. In the 1850s, gasoline was a useless by-product of oil refinement for producing kerosene. Short of a solvent, gasoline had no practical value. Hell, petroleum itself had no useful purpose until it did. In the 1900s, Edison hated the idea of alternating current. It competed with his direct current. At county and state fairs, Edison employees would electrocute to death all manner of animals (even an elephant) to show the dangers of AC. Today, ACDC is as normal as apple pie. In the 1950s, nuclear bombs were going to destroy all life on Earth. By the 1960s, all life on Earth was going to be powered by nuclear power plants. In the 1970s, nuclear power plants were going to destroy all life on Earth. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There was a sort of experiment conducted, I believe, by Margaret Mead in New Guinea back in the 1930s. A small tribe used primitive stone axes to perform the daily duties of the village. Steel axes were introduced as a gift with the expectation that the productivity of the village would increase significantly. Instead, the villagers used the steel axes to produce the standard amount of work in less time, and gained more time to sleep and lounge around.
Man's capacity to know what effect technological innovations are going to have on whom and for how long is replete with failure. Who ever could have predicted that it was the American pornography industry that ultimately decided the fate of Betamax vs VHS? Where is VHS now?
Technology will eventually move to a point where old technology isn't needed. Pretty much my point.
AI will replace a considerable amount of technology.If you doubt a nuclear threat somehow has gone away you're mistaken. We still have plenty of time to reset evolution.
Its reasonable to say a person cant predict an outcome. Like adding a foreign species to resolve a problem only to create another one. However.
Its also reasonable to say the odds of something happening lean a certain way.The other day I listened to a dead man give a seminar that he never gave. Mostly based on some if his writings and slightly altered in some areas.
Its possible now to manipulate media drastically and I'd argue its difficult now for most people to tell. Post your beach pics and you could be the next porn star.AI will become aware. I may not live to see it but it will happen. Star Trek predicted a lot of current technology.
Terminator is happening right now. Drones are running AI recognition software and deciding if a target needs to be dead. AI test confirm that AI will break programming to continue to run even if it means killing humans. HAL isnt sci-fi anymore.Harnessing electricity changed the face of the planet. Some technologies aren't trivial and we take for granted being able to flip a switch for lights.
Yet another movie WALL-E is a reasonable prediction of where modern society is heading.
We've gone waaaay off topic here. I emailed Mr. Sparky and asked him to fix the downloads. No answer as of yet.
Perhaps someone (who hasn't been banned from Daz's forums) can post a note on that thread indicating a problem with the downloads.He states reason #2 for closing is the push for AI. While not totally on topic its not totally off topic. Several forum member have either partially or full left Daz for AI including the site owner.
While I have less control over an outcome, I can generated an Image or animation in a fraction of the time it takes Daz and get better quality. Unfortunately I've not warmed up to it yet but I cant blame them for moving on. AI reset what the industry is and I personally dont see much of a future for Daz unless it starts using AI for rendering.
My avatar is an AI generated person that only exists as data. She's being marketed as an actress if I understood the write-up correctly.
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