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Yes...absolutely. We hate DAZ and have zero respect for the company. Even less now that the Tafi-Vampire is in charge.
Now ask what we think of Poser and it's string of owners....go ahead, I dare ya.If DS5 ever does arrive & it requires online, subscription, and existing plug ins won't work, just watch the tumbleweed at the launch.
It might be as popular as NFTs & Daz's hobbled AI attempt.
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I would think that the majority of Studio's users are amateurs just playing dolls (like me) and that the only reason it's so popular is because it's free. Charging a subscription will chase most(?) away to maybe AI. Tafi will finally dump Daz, leaving it a shell of it's former self. We will become the repository of content and older versions of Studio. Some creators will continue making items and sell them on private sites and the hobby will limp along until some fan makes a plugin for Blender or one of those game-engine thingies and all that great content finds a new home.
That is a plausible scenario.
Now that 'Rosity have a well established vendor running the marketing, hopefully it will give that site a boost.
I do think that Poser needs to be put out of it's misery though.
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I think Tafi’s main goal is what a ton of companies end up doing. Getting sold off or going public.
Since Tafi is a private company, the only thing that can happen is getting sold or bought by another company.
@eelgoo venture capital and private equity groups are the main contributors if you can find financial information on them.
Plus knowing they were part of that Big Tech bank that collapsed earlier, it’s a sign that their main motivation is to get grants and other financial support from Big Tech VCs/PEs
Yes.
No interest at all in what the company is actually trying to do or doing, just what is it worth to a potential customer.
Not good.
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The plug-ins removed from the store need updates for Premier that are not yet available for installation, Genesis 8/9 AutoFit for example.
Didn't Daz know this before rushing Premier out the door, or could they not give a f*ck? Mind you, broken plug-ins between versions is almost a given so their half-arsed attitude is just business as usual.
It looks like the direction that a lot of things are now going.One thing that I am happy about is seeing more vendors make their assets available to Genesis 8 also.
I look each day to see if there is anything worth buying with their daily releases. Nothing yet that makes me want to spend money (especially when I have to convert it and that I am trying to reduce how much I spend). Been two weeks since I brought anything online.
Maybe 'hate' is too strong? When they first brought out Studio I hailed them for giving us a program that was everything that Poser wasn't. It was intuitive with a sensible GUI. It was fast and rock-solid stable and it was free.
Unfortunately they've gone downhill and being bought by Tafi has accelerated the slide. They'd announced work on Studio 5 then Whammo!, the Tafi Borg swooped in and it's all gone to shit.
I have no respect for the staff at Daz-Tafi and see this as the perfect example of enshittification.@ethiopia spake upon the masses:
I'll bet we see an uptick of people looking for older version of Studio. We should put that on the front page.
100%. Sitemods - if you take up this advice, grab these copies when you do: https://f95zone.to/threads/daz-studio-repository.215178/
It seems a lot of people are already taking on the same idea and putting it to use. I have a few versions I've been backup up recently, from v4.12.1.118 to now (all Win64 versions). I bet we could crowdsource enough Win64 + Mac versions and stuff them into a repo somewhere.
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Tafi will finally dump Daz, leaving it a shell of it's former self. We will become the repository of content and older versions of Studio. Some creators will continue making items and sell them on private sites and the hobby will limp along
Fun trivia for the audience: That's how Poser got saved. Poser was abandonware in MetaCreations' stable shortly after Poser 3 was made in 1998. Hobbyists got together online and kept banging away at content for Poser 3(!), until a year later, one (or more, can't recall) of the Poser devs got together with a German software company and revived it under a new company called Curious Labs. It took off rapidly from there. If Poser 5 wasn't such a turd (and if they hadn't done a money-grab at DAZ to demand that DAZ license things like the Face Room), history would likely be different, and DS most likely wouldn't even exist.
I can see the hobbyists going back to keeping things alive on their own again for awhile, though. At least until someone else build a thing to import or directly use the assets.
@kelsie332 sez:Is this community the anti-fan of DAZ? Because if so, let me know now, so I can save my breath over some of the things I read.
It's a mixed bag. Some folks hate DAZ to the core of their souls, some folks love DAZ, most fall in-between. Me, I'm apathetic towards DAZ the company, but the scene products they put up in their store (characters, clothing, hair, props, scenes, etc) are generally of decent quality and have a wide variety.
Companies, corporations, LLCs, GmBHs, Ltds, SpAs... they're just collections of souls in a container that itself has no soul. Life's too short to assign any real emotion to them IMHO.
@eelgoo proclaimed:If DS5 ever does arrive & it requires online, subscription, and existing plug ins won't work, just watch the tumbleweed at the launch.
Exactly. I once downloaded each new version of DS eagerly, like a kid on Christmas morning, violating my own 'N-1' rule for software versions. Now? It's N-1 for DAZ Studio as well - or at least wait long enough to see if there's any show-stopping bugs and dumb anti-consumer tactics that get deployed before installing anything.
I also agree that Poser needs to be euthanized. It had its run, but all that's left is a bloated package patched all over, with older Adobe AIR-based versions that won't even run (because of massive security holes - bad enough that Windows and MacOS will simply throw an exception and kill them.) Worse yet, the Poser user community is mostly a dwindling group of hyperfocused fanatics who will brook no dissent on their forums. I took a peek at their official Poser forum, and saw it nearly dead. The "New Girl in Town" (Dawn 2) is full of renders that could be 100% replicated by 2004's Victoria 3, in both aesthetic and technical quality.
I hope we don't ever get that bad here.
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