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  • #2095728
    sandeep
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    To give a precedence, this is similar to what Clo3d did when they turned marvelous designer into a monthly subscription model. They offered their permanent license owners to trade-in their perpetual license for a discounted subscription.

    Marvelous Designer

    The world we live in.

    #2095729
    scoobydude51
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    @sandeep yet unlike Clo3d, DAZ is still giving out the $18/month no matter how much their offer is once that offer period expires.

    #2096001
    ryderrr
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    lol

    #2096040
    Phegor
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    Aiko 9 is exclusive to Premier users. It's shape only, and must be installed from inside the Daz Studio. Additionally, when your Premier subscription runs out, every Premier-exclusive product will refuse to open.
    Insane.

    #2096056
    scoobydude51
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    also, @phegor Akio 9 was ANOTHER highly requested shape, so of course they would lock it behind the paywall. DAZ is locking up ANYTHING that is known to make a lot of money, which is another sign of desperation.

    #2096057
    scoobydude51
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    and i also see that many are ALREADY canceling their premier subscriptions because of how bad it is.

    DAZ is pushing it towards the "big spenders". and all of the offers, bundles, etc that comes with DAZ Premier, guess what? they already have them. it's completely worthless to "big spenders".

    Premier is such a complete failure to everyone (including their target customers), one of two things will happen: DAZ continues to push Premier until the next fiscal quarter, and stop due to how much money is lost. or DAZ continues to push Premier until they shut down (ie what e-on - makers of Vue - did).

    #2096089
    sandeep
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    Additionally, when your Premier subscription runs out, every Premier-exclusive product will refuse to open.

    But how is this even enforceable technically? Even if it were released through Connect, only the installable packages are encrypted. Unlike DSE scripts, the content files, once installed, are not encrypted. I checked the Connect functionality in 4.23 and it still works that way. So, once the content is installed, what prevents anyone from manually creating a zip archive of the premier content?

    After the subscription expires (or in the absence of it), that content can then be extracted into your regular library with the internal folder structure intact. Sure, the metadata for smart content may no longer be usable, which is again, enforceable through flags set in the database tables. Given how easy it is to access the CMS from outside of Studio, what prevent anyone from resetting those flags to re-enable the smart content?

    Or, did they implement an entirely different Connect functionality for those premier content?

    #2096090
    sandeep
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    DAZ is pushing it towards the "big spenders". and all of the offers, bundles, etc that comes with DAZ Premier, guess what? they already have them. it's completely worthless to "big spenders".

    The way I see it, it ain't targeted towards existing whales, but towards luring "potential" whales who do not spend regularly. It just creates a FOMO for them if they don't keep their cash flowing into Daz pockets every month.

    #2096093
    Frank21
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    Personally I don't think that those who do not spend regularly would be enticed to fork out for Premier. It's most likely aimed directly at Daz+ members to get them to switch over. Small spenders are unlikely to change their spending habits if they weren't already Daz+ members..

    #2096097
    scoobydude51
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    @Frank22 that's exactly the point! normal "basic users" can't jump to Premier (that option is greyed out), they have to have an active subscription of DAZ+ to even qualify

    #2096099
    Frank21
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    I didn't know that was the case. So when Daz+ ends, there's nobody left to join up to Premier?

    #2096100
    Ethiopia
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    I'd love to know the buying habit breakdown of customers. I'm sure there's a few people who buy lots and lots of people who buy sporadically. I would say that most users are on the lower end of the buying slope.
    Then there's us, where do we fit in with our 28,000 members. How much do we 'contribute' to the spread of items? It can't be THAT much judging from my own sharing experience. Most items only see a few dozen downloads and only over the first few days they're offered. I've never had anything be downloaded over 100 times. Considering the number of members, that's not much. We can't be taking away many sales.

    #2096109
    Frank21
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    Maybe that's why they're not going hard against pirates.
    "I'd like to hold off on sharing for at least a month so that the creator can make some money".... so do I.

    #2096125
    ADAM
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    @ethiopia

    Id be interested to know have many of those accounts are dead.

    #2096169
    Ethiopia
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    @d0gg0d, We where at 30K a few months ago and Hunter purged a pile of the inactive ones and we went down to 19K(?). It hasn't taken long to gather another 10K. We know that many people use VPNs to enable the creation of many, many accounts simply in order to get lots of points.

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