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Is there a shift in Daz's Marketing Policy?
Time was that V4 ruled the roost.
Then along came various iterations of Genesis, Genesis 2 & 3 with all their associated sub characters.
Each had their own Starter & Pro bundles.This no doubt initially generated a lot of extra sales,
but of late the sub characters & especially their bundles seem very lack lustre to me.
Whereas vendors used to go into a feeding frenzy whenever a new sub character was launched,
of late there seems to be little vendor interest in them.My take on it is because G3F & G8F provide solid base characters they offer the soundest customer base.
Anybody any further thoughts on this?
I don't like the prices on the stuff it seems to have gone up and when u are like me and have to pay an exchange rate, then it costs even more and when they have sales u have to buy from certain vendors instead of from any vendor any product. I also don't think they give a xxxx what their customers request to be built I have made product suggestions and it does not seem to matter to them how many people agree with the product it still does not get made WTF ? This is their marketing policy, bend your customer over and FXXX them for all they are worth. LOL OK my rant is done. GRRR
Which is why I never buy anything from Daz. All the DAZ items I have I've gotten from either this site or torrents.(with the occasional free items from the daz market)
My view is somewhat more positive.
Whilst I really dislike their marketing strategy & in some cases their pricing policies,
I feel that the product G3F & G8F are exceptionally good in terms of 'bang for buck'
value as compared with other hobby level figures.Poser has been in the doldrums for generation after generation of figures.
On the whole there is excellent vendor support for Daz based products &
there are some quality items swamped among the tidal waves of texture packs.
For me, there is far too much fantasy wear & insufficient 'real world' clothing.Rank:
That’s a subject dear to my heart. I see Daz3D as nothing but a bunch of greedy, self serving, selfish bastards. Everything they do is geared towards making money.
Amen to that.
It took me years to use DS and I still think it's mediocre compared to Poser.
I did want future Genesis figures to be usable in Poser and it was disappointing that didn't happen.I still think it was DAZ who tried to kill off the competition between themselves and Smith Micro by stopping support for future Genesis figure in Poser.
+ Giving away DS for free. (Remind anyone of M$?)This is the sort of predatory business style the community could do without.
The story I heard was the other way around.
Smith Micro or whoever at the time refused to give native support to Genesis figures, which forced Daz to develop Studio.That backfired big style!
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Rank:I don't think we'll ever hear the truth from either side 🙁
The story I heard was the other way around.
Smith Micro or whoever at the time refused to give native support to Genesis figures, which forced Daz to develop Studio.That backfired big style!
Yep, that's what I've heard, too.
That was basically Smith-Micro's "Nintendo Playstation" moment.
For those that don't know, here's a brief history lesson: Back in the late 1990's, Nintendo was THE king of the crop, albeit in close competition with Sega. At one point, Sony was going to work with Nintendo to develop a CD add-on for the Super Nintendo. However, something happened, and Nintendo ended up telling Sony to go pound sand and opted to work with Sony's rival, Phillips, instead. While the Nintendo-Phillips partnership ultimately went nowhere, Sony went on to create their own video game console: the Sony Playstation, which was cheaper to produce games for due to the format (Nintendo stubbornly refused to support the CD-ROM format and went with cartridges for the Nintendo 64) and whatnot. Sony ultimately now has a large chunk of the market share, while Nintendo suffered poorly for years, now having settled into a niche. They're still most remembered and associated with video games in general, but they're nowhere near being as on top of the charts as they used to be these days.
Just swap 'Nintendo' with 'Poser' and 'Sony' with 'Daz', and that's pretty much what happened in this case. Regardless of your feelings towards Daz, you have to admit that S-M shot themselves in the foot by not choosing to better support Genesis 1-3. Maybe DS5 will be a significant improvement (especially if they've finally ditched Optitex for something better), maybe Poser will finally get better if it gets a Manga/Clip Studio-esque overhaul.
Frankly, I tend to stick with Daz Studio. It's what I'm used to, and I like Genesis 3. It serves my needs, and if I need a little extra oomph, I just pop something into Blender for a few little tweaks. I've never been one to get involved in "fanboi company wars". I don't have the time or energy to stroke a hate boner towards a company/product like some people do on this site and elsewhere. But the opportunity presented itself for me to try Poser -and I can't believe S-M hasn't even put out a demo version yet-, I'd be willing to give it a try, though. I'm an artist, I use whatever tools I can get my hands on to realize my imagination.
I don't, however, like how increasingly expensive things have gotten over the last few years. Being an artist myself, I get the mentality of being paid fairly for your efforts and skill level. Even I don't think charging value meal prices for something elaborate and extensive as an Aeon Soul product is fair. So I don't really care if a fancy outfit is like $25-30. People like Arki, Aeon Soul, Uzilite, Samsil, Rhiannon, etc. are worth it. And I will pay whatever for SickleYield's stuff, because they consistently put out amazing utilities that are lifesavers, IMHO.
But where I do draw the line are little accessories and pose sets. Unless a pose set comes with some substantial extras, I refuse to pay more than $10 for one. At least Renderosity is a little bit better in this regard, but even then, you have to agree that the prices are slowly starting to go up even there, too.
All in all, as the technology across the board evolves -Marvelous Designer, ZBrush, Blacksmith, DS, etc.-, I don't see it getting any cheaper in general.
Ohh, they're rewriting poser? Now that might be very interesting indeed.
There's a little program called DesignDoll which lets you pose a character. It's free, but has a pro version with a few extra features. The posing mechanism in that app is simply worlds better than in Daz and much smoother and intuitive than in Poser. So I hope they take a cue from what's presently available elsewhere and focus on speed and usability.Rank:you have to admit that S-M shot themselves in the foot by not choosing to better support Genesis 1-3
We simply don't know that because there has been nothing but rumours floating around the community. Neither DAZ or Smith Micro have ever made a statement to confirm or deny this.
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I've heard the same.
Give me a regularly updated and overhauled version of Poser over DS any day.
Personally I'd use both. But Poser more for rigging, etc.TBH I think they are really up against it.
Daz really has a stranglehold now.
If they can negotiate use of daz's content again, that may be a better option for them.
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Rank:DAZ certainly has ripped the community spirit out of it.
That almost faceless corporate feel gives me the chills.I'll ask a person I know who deals directly with SM and see if he knows what's on the horizon. If anything.
I'd love to go back to Poser full time if they sorted the mess out.
@eelgoo - As far as I'm concerned, the only major one-up that Poser has over Daz Studio right now is dynamic clothing. While it may not be 100% perfect (Blender, supposedly, is more powerful/robust), it's a hell of a lot better than the proprietary Optitex BS.
Sure, there's things like DynCreator and Marvelous Designer, but a fat lot of good it does when you have clothing pieces splitting apart during the sim.
Other than that, I have no clue what Poser brings to the table outside of dynamics and a black-white "comic book" filter. I'd be more than willing to try for myself, but S-M has not ever released a demo, and the version that's here on ZGFX is a .exe/Windows only cracked version. (I'm on Mac) :/
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