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  • #2094151
    Biff the Adequate
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    So, what would you guys recommend in a desktop that's fairly budget conscious. How much RAM, graphics card/RAM, etc.

    I'm currently using a laptop with 12gb RAM, which seems to cope not bad but I want to obviously progress to better renders?

    #2094173
    gaver
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    I bought this a year ago for around 1000euro ( prebuild desktop)

    Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5700G with Radeon Graphics 3.80 GHz
    Installed RAM 32,0 GB (31,4 GB usable)
    Videocard RTX 3060
    HD M2 2TB

    System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor

    So it is already "outdated"
    But is works fine, have a few renders in gallery here,
    (example) https://zonegfx.com/forums/topic/just-testing-enviroment/

    This took about 15 minutes rendering
    Just to give you an idea

    Overall I am very happy with this rig

    #2094175
    Ethiopia
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    I've always used AMD cpu's because they give the best bang for the buck. My only real suggestion is to talk with the local gamer community and any IT folks you know to get their suggestion for a local 'Mom-n-Pop' computer store. Every city has that one shop that's stacked to the rafters with new and used components and is always willing to do a deal. Get a decent used case and stuff it with items that are one generation back. This gives you 90% of the power for 40 to 70% of the price. Read the computer magazines too, although PCMag isn't too techy these days. Tom's Hardware is trustworthy.
    You can always take your hard drives with you into any new build. Both my online and offline (the better graphics box) computers are Frankensteins but they're crazy reliable and work well. I use Win7 online and Win10 for the graphics one. I also installed Win10 Ameliorated ( https://ameliorated.io/ ) to eliminate the crap. Don't update ANYTHING until it's been out for awhile and it's shown that you need it to fix something.

    #2094180
    eelgoo
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    I always do it that way.

    Kitbash can give the best bang for buck, if you do your homework first.

    With my rig, the only thing that has survived from 3 builds ago is the Cooler Master liquid cooled large desktop case, and some large hard drives.

    🙂

    #2094181
    eelgoo
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    When you plot RRP of component parts v. performance, there comes a point where cost rises exponentially for a relatively small increase in performance.

    The sweet spot to hit is just around the price point where it starts to curve radically upwards.


    @ethiopia
    Yes, like cameras and all technology, you will always get a better deal on recently superseded models.

    🙂

    #2094182
    Ethiopia
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    @eelgoo, *chuckle* When we replaced the HUGE belly camera in a surveillance plane with a digital one, the camera's where sold off as essentially scrap. We all joked that they would have been a hell of a lot of camera for pennies, but what are you going to do with a camera that weighs many hundreds of kilos and requires many amps at 24VDC? Now...I wish I'd grabbed one since the lenses would have been easy to mount to a digital camera and they where a LOT of glass!

    #2094183
    eelgoo
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    Kitbash rules! 🙂

    Yes, I use good quality old glass on recent digital cameras & get nice results.

    #2094191
    gaver
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    Well...once you got a proper lens, and the mounting does not change, my opinion is you got it for life.Both me and the misses take pictures, and we were lucky we both had a Canon when we met. Between us we have a 80-300, a fixed 300, 200 Macro-lens( And a few more). If I had to replace them new, you could buy a decent second hand car for that amount. But if you think about the fact they theoreticly last you a lifetime, it was not a bad investment.

    #2094199
    Ethiopia
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    I've always been disappointed that no one made converters to use old (but still excellent and expensive) lenses during the shift to digital. I heard about one but they never became popular. Our shop had a zillion dollars worth of high end lenses (Nikon) that where all sold by Crown Assets. The companies all made a big deal about selling lenses 'optimized' for digital, but we worked in an imaging lab with all manner of test equipment and knew it was just marketing bullshit.
    Our selection of Rodenstock lenses continue to work perfectly with the digital back on the 8x10 Cambo.

    #2094204
    Frank21
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    I think that 32 GB RAM is now considered "minimum" for gaming/creators. For DS a GPU with the largest VRAM you can afford but a min of 12GB would be preferable. If you're coming from a laptop don't forget that you'll also need to buy a monitor (not cheap) and the other stuff.... it all adds up.
    This chair is optional depending on how long your renders take 🙂 .

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    #2094210
    Elim
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    I knew some people who thought I was crazy back in 2020 for having 64Gb of RAM. Been great. Even thou I could have gone to 128Gb of RAM - if I wasn't planning on getting a new computer. As Ethiopia said - Tom's hardware is pretty good, as is the local gaming community.

    I was recommended a computer retailer here in Melbourne, who I have brought some stuff from. What I did last time when my got my current desktop - was keeping to a budget, which meant I had to have everything that I wanted at that time (like adding another hard drive or new graphics card)

    Some forward to now - again at the moment I have been in the planning for a few months now. Been reading about the new Intel processor, as last time I brought a processor that had been on the market for a few years to save money. Yet to decide between Core 7 and Core 9 - but I'll decide sometime in November or December, once I see prices on motherboards, CPU and RAM. I am also hoping that graphic cards get cheaper with the release of the RTX 50 series. As I want to buy a RTX 4070 or 4080 series. Yet to decide which - but I an use my RTX 3060 12GB in my new computer for a few months.

    #2094223
    Frank21
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    I've got an RTX4070 now but no longer use DS so I can't compare. With SD I haven't seen "out of memory" whatever I throw at it. With my old 2080 8GB I used to see it all the time.
    Good luck with the Storm this afternoon... hope they win, even though I'm from Syd 🙂 .

    #2094230
    Elim
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    Hehe. I'm a Parramatta supporter. And there is the fact that I don't like either team. Undecided on who I'll go for. If the Storm win it will be great for the game to grow here.

    I'll test my new system - whenever I get it. My old system works fine at the moment. It all depends on prices, which at the moment is unknown with regards to some components.

    #2094234
    Frank21
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    I would stick with that 3090 and 24GB of VRAM for a long time. They were and will remain well beyond my price range here in Oz. You wouldn't believe what they're still asking for them here.... $US2,380. I guess that's what we get for living at the arse end of the world.

    ,

    #2094235
    Ethiopia
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    My guy wants $1700 US for them in Canada.

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