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  • #1920534
    AnjaBear
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    RenderHub and Renderosity Direct Attacks

    Just so you all are aware, Renderosity together with RenderHub have launched a direct attack on ZoneGFX, believing that we are the source of every one of 250 other GFX websites or something. They have used false claims against us "making money off of stolen assets" which is absolutely not one bit the truth. We make no profit off the items shared among our users. The shares are voluntary and no one is paying anyone for these assets.

    But that is what they are telling companies like MEGA and Google to pull down those links from the Blog.

    Today I witnessed just how aggressive this is - particularly since the Vendor doing it - is themselves one of the biggest copyright infringers and selling converted items they do not hold the copyright on, but they have gotten away with it so long because the big companies do not consider Daz Studio products important enough to go after the vendor, yet they have stolen copyrighted products and resold them for thousands of dollars for the past few years.

    Today a product from 3D UK (a Brazilian based vendor who seems to be untouchable by the law) had a product that was just uploaded 5 minutes earlier to our blog - pulled down from MEGA, and MEGA killed the owner's account without even questioning or investigating.

    This is the reason why we tell you to post at least 4 or 5 different links on totally different services. This will allow people to propagate the items and get them for their own use. No one SELLS this stuff, at least not our users nor our Administrators or Moderators.

    I'm personally tired of this. We are looking into possibly using Torrents around the world to post these particular vendors item, which will then become unstoppable in the long run. As Torrents have thousands of source users seeding and leeching, and once the items are in the Torrent circle - they can be reconstructed by those who originally leeched them. And they can be reseeded FOREVER.

    I personally DO NOT support these vendors, as their behavior is detrimental to healthy interest among users WHO MIGHT HAVE TRIED THE STUFF and THEN GONE AND BOUGHT IT.

    Most vendors do not realize that most who download this stuff - do so because the initial pricing is so ridiculously high and there are not sufficent discounts available at release. Daz for example released Genesis 9, and sells almost every product release an no less than $17 each... and discounts do not go below 30%, but the prices have already been jacked up so they never go below $17, unless stacking works - which even for Daz++ users MOST TIMES DOES NOT WORK. So for those of us who are HOBBYISTS or have FAMILIES TO FEED, the choices are either pay exhorbitant prices, and let your family starve or skip paying electric, water, heat etc.

    We all know that at the larger sites, everything will eventually pop up on a holiday sale or a day sale. Use the DAZ DEALS Plugin for your browser and see the up and down curves of sales and you'll see what the lowest price was on a given Daz product, and you can decide if that price once was there, it will be again. Just have to wait for it. The solution is to grab a copy at the shares, and wait.

    Big software companies ended up making their MILLIONS off Torrent Share folks. We eventually got tired of cracks and tricks that worked only for a time, and we got dependent on the software and became LOYAL customers eventually. Still waited for a SALE, but we bought in.

    That is the nature of the beast.

    However, vendors attacking one site isn't going to deter people from sharing their already copyright infringing stuff. I'm personally tired of reporting their theft to the actual copyright holders - only to be thanked and told it's not worth going after someone without money to pay the legal fees, or people in countries where the current laws will not support copyright theft lawsuits.

    SUMMARY:

    PLEASE either share THESE particular vendors' products PRIVATELY, we will leave the FILLED post without removing them so that others can FIND those items and request them from the FILLER directly - if you as the filler wish to post to the BLOG, please POST 4 to 5 varied downloader links. That way it becomes harder for the products to be fully wiped out from the blog. Once the last of the 4 or 5 links is dead, someone can inform us and we can refill with new links.

    RenderHub has the most copyright infringers doing this. Some of them sell at Renderosity as well. Renderosity sent out a newsletter all about piracy with all the fake accusations in it to outrage customers, but what they did was made their customers aware of us, and after that newsletter, our membership grew. Surprise!

    Stay Safe everyone!
    Cheers
    AnjaBear, Requests Moderator

    #1920560
    ItsMeNotYou
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    I think we should put together a list of artists/vendors that are doing this and NOONE buy from them , and if you have give the product a very very bad rating maybe the drop in sales and bad rating will be enough of a hint to shut their mouths.

    #1920562
    AnjaBear
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    @perfectZer0 are you still alive and out there?

    #1920643
    diviniren
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    Well put @Anjabear!

    One thing, I noticed that this site and all contents on the forum are fully indexed and public - which does place a big bullseye on our backs.

    If Hunter dropped all ads - with the site maintained by his own pocket and community donations, I'm not sure what the value is of driving so much troll and bot traffic to the site, plus exposing the community to these kind of harassments... I also noticed a lot of spammers lately too posting those crypto scams...

    I wouldn't be too worried about the file hosting shutdowns, new hosts will emerge, its unsustainable to apply that kind of reactive enforcement. Like everyone has indicated, if these companies/vendors would simply price things more competitively, people wouldn't have to majorly resort to this kind of sharing.

    The way things are headed, I believe companies are adopting the 'Gacha' model of gouging customers, and pandering to the very few minority that drop big $$$ on assets that are inflated well beyond their worth. Struggle is, Daz is not really a professional 3d modelling tool, as others have mentioned, its akin to dressing up and posing barbie dolls - and so, the target market should really be the hobbyist and casual artist segment - but nope, everyone wants to monetize everything, and all it takes are a couple idiots with deep pockets to throw good money at convenient (not necessarily quality) assets, and well, that's that!

    Other thoughts: Maybe do a pre-screen on Discord before approving new accounts? Possibly do a purge of inactive accounts?

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    [ANJABEAR] I'm looking for some folks to help me out on the DISCORD as trustworthy moderators, Warrant63 is helping but not many have offered to assist. With now hundreds of users, its a bit job for just little old me and Warrant63 to manage alone. If anyone wants to get involved, PM AnjaBear privately and send me your DISCORD nickname so I can friend you. - ANJA

    #1920721
    JoD4444
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    I 100% support the use of torrents. So how would u go about doing torrents? would u have section just for torrents in the forums or would we be allowed to include a link to the torrent site on the blog post? Cause I personally have been sitting on a few models from vendors like the one you're speaking about because I don't wanna deal with the hassle of constantly having to reupload new links or risk getting one of my file hosting accounts shutdown and I don't really feel like sending out a bunch of PMs. I've been pretty lazy lately lol

    #1920726
    Frank21
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    Could we only provide DL links via PM to those with say 10,000 points. As it stands anyone can join and get immediate access to the links. Yes it would be much more time consuming and exclude DLs to newbees until they've built some points, but it might go towards helping the problem and identify who's doing the reporting.

    Also, how does TurboSquid get away with copyright violation? Nobody seems to be bothering them.

    coke

    #1920732
    scoobydude51
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    i also agree with torrents. before i joined here (around 2016), i was downloading DAZ content through torrent sites like TPB and KAT (before that site was seized). i would recommend RUtracker (it’s based in Russia so any DMCA takedown is impossible).

    #1920823
    GAMI SETA
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    @frank21

    I think big companies dont care. I had a guy in youtube copyrighting music from the nes game of zelda. I did a lets play and got a copyright claim that the games music belonged to a norwegian-finish-swedish guy. He literally copied the games music and made a song of his own which 95% was the same. This cannot be.

    I informed Nintendo of this and nothing happened. So i suppose it might be the same thing here. To much hussle for them to bother or not worth the money and effort to deal with spare change

    #1920829
    gaver
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    I used to get all my poser files from Demonoid in the passed. Torrents are a nice option I must agree.
    IF it is not to much work, a special section on the site would be nice.
    maybe link to the torrent through a non conspicuous picture?

    #1920849
    Father Mapple
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    if zone switched to torrents it would drive them crazy 😆 because then they couldn't stop or take down anything, so i'm totally in.

    #1920877
    Alapa
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    Lol! I've just fired off a nice email to Disney, and to the relative authority here in the UK. 3D UK, your time is limited now. I hope you like porridge 🙂

    #1920879
    Sheila
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    I'm sure Mega isn't doing this for free if they have gotten aggressive. It seems mega are picky on what products should be taken down. Lets promote other file sharing hosts. 3DUK, RHub, Rendersoty may have approached MEGA but it would become a hell of a job if they were to contact all the sharing websites instructing them to taken those files down time and again.
    It's more of a damage limitation tactic, trying to borrow some time, atleast for a while. Even they know, this strong arming wont last that long, eventually we will find more ways to share the files anyways.

    Yes torrents would be awesome too. I used to download stuff via torrent sites, until one day they disappeared. I'm totally IN.

    #1920881
    ItsMeNotYou
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    yeah it's too bad K.A.T , went down 🙁 .

    #1920883
    Alapa
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    I'm up for torrents as well. How about using torrents as a backup? That way when these prats do a DMC takedown, there's always another avenue to pursue?

    #1920897
    Sheila
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    The downside of the torrents would render the entire efforts of the site admins and moderators useless as we have a points based system. Those files would then be publicly available to anyone. If torrents is to be the way, it will effectively bring me to tears. I like to visit here and its sort of my 3D home now 🙂

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