Genesis 2 conversion love for Genesis 9

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  • #1885714
    Recktat19
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    Just a letter to my fellow converters. Genesis 2 works really well on Genesis 9!
    This here is Ninive 6 from the old Genesis 2. I'm really happy with the way it turned out.
    The rendered portrait is using diffuse maps pulled from the original. She looks rather pale though I hadn't changed the transparency from my own custom skin map, it was pretty low already.

    Turn around video: Link to Video

    #1885769
    eelgoo
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    Was she done for G8 / 8.1?

    #1885804
    Recktat19
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    I'm sure she has. Though I couldn't find one from a simple google search. I did find a snippet of one under the character converter script made by Riversoft Art.

    #1885808
    eelgoo
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    Yes, she looks presentable.

    Quite often I think the latter conversions actually look better than the original.

    I suppose it is because of the move forward in technology.

    Despite a long campaign, back in the day, V4-V8 Character Converter was never released by RSA

    🙁

    #1885822
    Recktat19
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    Yes I love V4 characters. Perhaps I'd try my hand at converting a few of them to G9 in the near future. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think they're a poser only model. Shouldn't make it too difficult. Genesis 9 makes converting way easier I find.

    #1885823
    eelgoo
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    V4 can be used on either platform, but the file heirarchy better matches Poser.

    It is just a shame I am not onboard with G9.
    By far my favourite these days is G81F
    🙂

    #1885849
    Recktat19
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    Hmm. I'd be willing to work with you on changing your mind. I can provide files or presets if it could make yours or others transition to Gen 9 more appealing. Just let me know if something could change the difference. Gen 9 doesn't feel all that different than 8 for me. Plus there's already scripts that convert G3/8 poses and non-morph expressions at the single click of the mouse.

    #1885853
    eelgoo
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    It is just the entire way it is set up really.
    No gender based base meshes with enhanced density in the appropriate areas.
    Sure the situation may 'improve' when there are more geografts, but that all adds to the unweildy filesizes for manipulation.
    G9 accentuates things I am not bothered about & is retrograde in the areas I do care about.
    Not good!
    :0/

    #1885862
    Recktat19
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    No nipples at subdivision 1 is what I'm hearing to be your main issue. It's a pretty simple issue to solve. Though I agree it's a bit dismissive to people that render at base resolution. Essentially people with lower spec computers.
    Kind of like the iPhone removing the headphones jack, I can only imagine they chose to assume people using Gen 9 wouldn't be using it at base/subd1 resolution, it is a safe assumption.
    I would implore you to at least try it then decide for yourself if it's as bad as you say. You might be thoroughly surprised!

    #1885872
    eelgoo
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    No, that is only a small part of it.
    It is not just the nipple area, it is the entire chest area with a low res mesh.

    I have G8/8.1 behaving exactly how I want it to, in an efficient optimised manner, refined over a lengthy period.
    G9 has added nothing that appeals so far, certainly not enough for me to add more bloat to my runtime, whilst offering me so very little.

    #1885941
    DirkDiggler
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    @eelgoo
    I find RSA's G2 to G8 does well. Then I just convert it to 8.1 which is crazy easy.
    Just need to make sure you have all the morphs installed for that G2 character as I found I was missing a bunch of them when I started. I didn't even have the G2 female morphs, or the G2 head morphs. They did not look the same at all.

    I'm with eelgoo on the G9. The Chest area just ..There is to much to explain as to why, its just not right. Most conversions don't look right there either. The curve of the breast the upper chest area between the neck and the breast. Its just.. all wrong.

    #1886001
    Recktat19
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    Strange, I've never noticed any issues with breasts from the numerous conversions I've done on G9. It has double density from the previous gen which makes the platform superior for making morphs as a non-published artist (not having HD tools). Nipples would be an issue if you're wanting any sort of unique nipples (until a PA releases variety packs of nipple morphs) since for the time being every nipple will be using the default HD one. Though if you can ignore the nipples issue, don't intend to use the character for nude rendering and don't need nipples at all like for say clothed renders, G9 works sufficiently well in the chest area.

    Nymia 4.2 converted to G9 with Voluptuous turned up a bit

    #1886044
    DirkDiggler
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    This is what I mean though. Your images even shows it. From the neck down its a straight line. There is no curve. From where the cleavage starts there should be a curve going up to the chest, and down to the breast.
    https://www.deviantart.com/sereph665/art/Ichigo-x-Willa-Request-4-Commission-1-889020057
    If you look at this one. You can see the curve I mean. This disappears in G9.

    I believe if you play with it some more you can get the desired affect. But a straight conversion always comes flat there.

    DD

    #1886074
    Recktat19
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    Conversions are 1:1. If you overlay the two meshes they're clipping irregularly from being on top of each other. A conversion couldn't really change the shape of the breasts unless you mean a deformation caused by rigging/Weight maps, though in A-pose or a pose like the one in my render - wouldn't show such a deformation. The breasts on my render aren't as perky as the example you gave, I think you're wanting perky breasts. I'm not sure if the original model is that perky, though I could be wrong.

    I can say though, the character I converted was 1:1 with the V4.2 character it came from - before I turned up the Voluptuous shape preset. Perhaps the few breast morphs that have come out just aren't to your liking. Plus sized women don't tend to have perky breasts after all.

    #1886432
    DirkDiggler
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    Well this is very true! 🙂 But I find when it comes to the finer formations for G9 at least. It's just not there. I could be wrong. I may not be doing it right. But the results I've found never work for me. V4.2 GND just simply was.. Wrong. Like the rib cage was wrong she looked broken. The face was wrong.
    Again. It's very possible I just haven't figured out how to do it. V4 I know nothing about really. I can't seem to get anything right with them. G2-g8.1 I can pretty much do anything. G9 I've not played with much. I have enough with G2-8.1.. for now.

    DD

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