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    Frank21
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    Artemis I is due to launch in a few hours at 12:33pm GMT and I'm not particularly optimistic that all will go well considering NASA's recent sequence of failures. I've always been a space geek, Scott Manley is my hero, and I wish it well and hope the multi-billions spent on Artemis is well spent.

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    #1861416
    Lucafeelgood
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    I grew up with space travel. In the old days everything was still in black and white. Man did not know better.

    Scott Manley is fine, he has a great youtube channel. but whether this mission is successful or not... The more than 30 billion dollars are thrown out of the window anyway.

    #1861435
    Frank21
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    Well it shouldn't end in a failure. If it does I guess we'll all be asking why something we did 6 times in the late 60's to the mid 70's we can't reproduced now with all the our technological progress over the past 50 years. Failure isn't an option for Artemis IMO. If it's raining too much in Florida I think the whole thing will be called off before launch anyway.
    They wouldn't want a repeat of Apollo 12.... set SCE to AUX.

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    #1861776
    Grouchy Old Fart
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    The Apollo program was the last of the old-school do-or-die programs, where the men who went up knew they may well end up getting killed in some gruesome manner (it was even said that Apollo 11 carried cyanide capsules in the LEM in case it failed to return the two gents back up into lunar orbit. The President at the time even had a speech prepared for that possibility, among others.) Three astronauts died in testing, and others faced numerous near-misses. Even when everything went right, ingenuity often saved the day - Apollo 11 almost failed fatally at least twice that we know of, and pilot Neil Armstrong was almost killed at least once (that we know of) during training.

    Nowadays everything has to be more than safe enough before anyone does anything, because no bureaucrat wants to preside over a tragedy - there's pensions at stake! So, obviously, it's all going to take a lot more time, effort, money, engineering, etc.

    Think of it like flight... the earliest airplanes were deadly dangerous. Nowadays? Stepping on a plane is often seen as a chore, a slightly uncomfortable obstacle between you and where you want to go.

    #1862001
    Frank21
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    True GOF. It always helps when safety is put first. We learnt that with the shuttle where the pressure to launch resulted in 14 unnecessary deaths. The same applies to airline pilots and goal fixation (get-home-itis), the desire to get to a destination overriding training and logic, which is a common cause for pilot-error crashes.... and probably a lot of car crashes too.

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    Frank21
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    #1891150
    Frank21
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    Well after 3 months NASA finally fixed their problems and did it. "We rise together" LOL.. who thinks these phrases up? On Youtube it's funny how the SpaceX crowd have been dissing NASA and Blue Origin as useless. The whole thing has become so partisan.

    I reckon the SpaceX Starship will need a flame trench. They've damaged their launchpad (again) after Tuesday's 14 engine test... imagine what will happen when they fire all 33 of them.

    #1891387
    Biff the Adequate
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    Remember when it used to be "for the good of all mankind"? In a sense (and in my own insignificant opinion), it doesn't matter who get's where first as long as it's done safely and quickly. Seems this planet we live on is itself living on borrowed time because governments are big on talk and small on action.

    We're gonna need a new home 🙁

    #1891485
    Abad
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    You are not going to destroy one of my childhood sexual fantasies. Fuck with Maya. (Not the Autodesk one....)

    #1891561
    Frank21
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    Zoe was my personal sci-fi favourite. (... are those nipples I see.. in 1969?)

    #1959481
    Frank21
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    Another one go boom...

    #2113800
    Frank21
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    Strike 7 for Musk as he blows up yet another $100 million dollars of taxpayers money.

    What an ego....

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    #2113887
    Grouchy Old Fart
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    IIRC that was only SpaceX' money, since it was only a test flight and not something under NASA contract.

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