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  • #2087171
    ADAM
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    Before and after I let Krea AI tweak my Daz render

    #2087185
    Legolas18
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    Someone is having fun with ai 🙂

    I love the results, btw. It seems Krea is doing an excellent job. Now you can use it as a render engine 🙂

    #2087218
    ADAM
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    Thanks. I'm definitely guilty
    Yeah. I feel I have a bit more control over the outcome but while the results are amazing I had very little to do with them.

    Most of my input was kit bashing morphs. AI took an ok but bland render and made it 10 times better.

    It's nearly a push button and make art alternative. I do enjoy the results and toying with it but I realized it makes a lot of things pointless. Why worry about clothing wrinkles when AI will add them. Poor skin texture, don't worry AI will fix it.

    It's both amazing and awful.One of those crazy moments when you don't know if you should laugh or cry. Seeing the difference in results it's nearly impossible to not use it if you want be competitive or spend decades learning art skills

    #2087227
    Legolas18
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    At the end of the day, AI is just a tool to make your work harder, better, faster, stronger. 🙂

    It's not as if you say "why am I using a GPU, I should use a CPU". "Why am I using a computer? I should do all the computations by hand".

    If you fall in that trap, you'll just end up at the deep end of a tunnel of senseless "whys".

    #2087229
    Anonymous
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    Good morning,

    Personally, I find that AI, despite its advantage in certain areas, undermines everyone's creativity we actually all find ourselves doing the same thing with the result.

    You have to keep your creative side, and not fall too deep into simplicity, which therefore implies generality.

    #2087231
    Paul (Fuzzy3000)
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    And now we can see what you actually look like..... 🙂

    #2087238
    LivingPixels
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    Interesting results! I'm not thrilled with what it did to her hands (and to a lesser degree her face) but the overall detail enhancements are nice! With some Photoshop work the hands could be fixed.

    I̶s̶ ̶K̶r̶e̶a̶ ̶a̶ ̶s̶t̶a̶n̶d̶a̶l̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶a̶p̶p̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶w̶e̶b̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶?̶

    Update: a quick search and I found it... interesting but extremely slow! Definitely not worth it for my workflow, and not terribly reliable for some shots... taking several minutes per render it seems I'd rather either go local AI or just straight-up rendering

    #2087243
    Legolas18
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    @macblade07
    I may presume you assume ai does "everything", which it far from the truth.

    So, no it doesn't blunt creativity, it just lowers the bar for entry in the image generations field and, as in every field, most people are...average and bland at what they do.

    However, some people are not happy with average, and find ways to be creative to go beyond that, including in ai generations.

    In other words, if you are not creative, that's a failure of the person, not ai.

    #2087245
    Anonymous
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    @Legolas18
    I understand your way of seeing things, I agree.
    I just find that launching an AI program generating preconceived algorithms, and waiting for the result, is not for me a way to think about creation.

    I still agree with your opinion, we can very well be creative with AI, but it remains a pre-constructed plan.

    #2087247
    Legolas18
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    @macblade07 I think that everything in art is a preconstructed plan.

    An artist learns how to draw a hand over and over. Isn't that a preconstructed plan? Then he puts together all the other pieces, how to draw heads, how to draw bodies, etc etc.

    The same goes with techniques, they are all formulas that an artist follows. The only difference with an AI is that you have removed the tedious and time consuming factor, and now creativity is about putting together these plans in a new and interesting way, which you can do, for example by mixing styles, forcing character to have a certain pose, even force ai to follow a certain composition.

    My take, from what you are saying, is that maybe you are not aware of all the tools available for ai image generation for users that do so locally. But, then again, things are moving really fast in this field 🙂

    #2087291
    ADAM
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    Definitely understand the perception. I use to hunt and would rather have a rifle than a sharp stick.

    However if I took a deer with a spear rather than a rifle I would "feel" I accomplish more. A certain pride about doing something difficult.

    I'll agree it takes time and knowledge to find the right words for AI to get what you want. Personally I find it like hunting an animal tied to a stake.

    You might have sighted in the rifle and hit the shot from 200 yards but it's about as fulfilling as making toast. The toast tastes good with a bit of jelly but it doesn't last long so you keep making toast.

    I find it fun and more interested in what happens when I type in crazy stuff to see what the AI will do. It took several tries to get 2 pics to merge into something that looked real. So I guess that's a type of challenge.

    I'm sure I'll continue to mess with it and understand it's popularity. I think it's something that opens the world of art to most everyone. One of the reasons I like Daz. However I think it's a double edged sword and does as much harm as good

    #2087292
    Anonymous
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    @Legolas18

    I just want to say that an AI will not have what painters or sculptors have, which allows them to recognize their works.
    Obviously, an artist learns to draw again and again, but he has his own way of interpreting his works, which differentiates him from others, a soul, a style, a unique way of doing things.

    If we take the current original post from @ADAM, the only thing the AI ​​did was improve the quality of the original, but totally distorted the original style, etc.

    Do we have to achieve perfection for it to be considered a work?
    What do we do with all these artists like Vincent van Gogh, Gustav Klimt, Pablo Picasso, etc.?

    There you go, I think above all that this remains an endless discussion, we each have a different point of view, which unfortunately an AI will not have.

    Of course, I close this debate for my part.

    PS: Sorry @ADAM for invading your Article.

    #2087293
    ADAM
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    You're welcome to post cookie recipes for all I care. It's a relatively open forum and I like conversations and debates.

    "Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.” -Tolkien (may or may not have said)

    #2087294
    Anonymous
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    @ADAM

    Sorry, I don't have a recipe for cookies, at least edible ones.

    And nice summary:
    "Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.” - Tolkien
    I didn't know, I'm taking the liberty of keeping it.

    #2087304
    Frank21
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    I think we've already discussed the AI issue to near death so I'll only add another quite...
    "Nothing is original, everything is derivative, execution is the only thing that matters."
    BTW, I like what you did with the image Adam 🙂 .

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