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Art is subjective, and it's worth what someone will pay. The modern art that sells for big money is no different to the modern music industry, people buy what they're told to buy, there's a whole industry around promoting these artists to make money for galleries.
Sucks as an artist if you don't build a following, but hey, good on the people who get to live on their art.
With the traditional art I do occasionally sell I work almost entirely by commission and they can take my price or leave it... which means I do very little work but can look at myself in the mirror
@silverboax I understand that, but I don't have to like it or agree with their idiotic perception.
Also, as I said, I won't conform to doing crap work just to sell and make money.
@Evilmonkey Thanks for the reminder! I used to know that at one point, because I had one I played with as a hobby, and I worked with a guy who was a bullwhip enthusiased as a child (he was old, those things were probably still popular when he was a kid). It's a hard technique to get used to, I found; the fluidity of the cracking motion.
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It's been somewhat easier to get 40s/50s stuff for me (except cars; in the vehicular department the 60s/70s stuff seems to be more prevalent), but there is a lot of stuff that can double as 60s/70s if you stretch your imagination...Here's some characters I made and never used:
On Jolie figures: as many as there are names. hahaha.... I noticed that a few months... "Wait, didn't I just see two of the same model? Oh, hey, BOTH of these Angelinas are for the same generation!" Yes, I also fucking hate people. Misanthropy is one of my hobbies.
And I think you're referring to the Mengele Effect, after Joseph Mengele. Some people remember him being at the Nuremberg Trials, when in actuality he was arrested in Ohio in the late 1950s (sorry, that's a reference to this week's X-Files...).@Rob
I'm the same way... I hate to be such a primadonna, but it does hurt when your work is ignored because it's not popular. My DeviantArt is practically a ghost-town, and I've been posting all my art, photography, and 3D work for 8 years, now... most of the people who've been there are fetish-types.. not even artists, just members.@SkinLizzard
Will have a look at them just now! Thanks!Your right about DAZ/Poser not getting respect in the 3D world. I find myself almost apologetic for using DAZ Studio when people I know irl compliment my work. Especially the people that were around when I was doing architecture in Max/vray on a semi pro basis.
But DAZ Studio and Poser still require a skill level. You have to understand cameras, lighting, anatomy, etc to make it all work. If you use shitty camera and lighting techniques and crappy shaders, your render are gonna be junk no matter how well you modeled it using whatever program.
Looking down your nose at art created with DAZ/Poser would be like looking down your nose at a magnificent pencil scetch because the artist didn’t manufacture the paper.
@jbuckland1984 Nope. mandelaeffect.com/
Looking for clothing for women to do pin-ups from that era, especially 40 thru70s, has been a chore, unless I just want lingerie. Cars are also tough too.Yup. My lifestyle. This world seriously needs to lose about 7billion humans. Yes. I know the number is high. But that leaves 500million spread across the globe. I'm good with that. I'd rather spend my time with animals. They don't stab you in the back.
@robf4g210 I totally agree. Like looking down at me because I used a graphics tablet to draw and paint on a computer screen, instead of a paint brush and canvas. I get snubbed all the time when they find out it was on a computer and not traditional. Serious. They think its just push a button and bam. art.. Which brings us full circle to reason why people snub Daz/Poser. Because of the non artists that just push a button and Bam. Crap Art that gets all the raves. LOLNo, it was a joke. Last night's X-Files had Mulder & Scully meeting a man who claims reality had changed without anyone's noticing but his own. He said it's a perfect example of the Mengele Effect, so named because some people remember Joseph Mengele at the Nuremberg trials, while others remember him being arrested in Ohio in the late 1950s...
Mulder replies No, you're thinking of the Mandela Effect, named for Nelson Mandela.
The man says "No. It's the Mengele effect. It's always been the Mangele Effect..."I thought it would be funny to drop that... make it look like we remembering two different Effects.... lol
OH, I forgot to mention, I haven't put any Daz/Poser art out for sale yet. However, when I do, I'll get asked how'd you do that. My reply will be, "I use the many tools and programs at my disposal to get the end result. From pencil and paper to 3D programs to paint programs. Its a complex system that changes with every piece."
@jbuckland1984 LOL OK, got it. Damn. I forgot it had started again. Now I have to get the previous episodes and catch up. If I'd been up to date, I'd have gotten that reference.
My credo has always been Never Apologize; Never Explain.
Never, until forced to by a court of law.Thats a nice credo. LOL I try to connect with potential fans. It gives them a sense of closeness with the artist which is supposed to help in increasing sales. But I've never been a salesman. I honestly suck at it. I'm too fucking honest. LOL And that in turn makes me lose sales. I've found out that subterfuge seems to work pretty well on the general masses.
I'm the same way. My photographer mentor has people eating out of her asshole, she's published nearly every month in at least one model photography magazine. But her photography is nothing special... she sets it to auto and holds her finger on the button and rapid-fires 500 shots (out of which she'll use maybe 10). To be fair, she's a fantastic hair & makeup artist...
But anyway, I asked how she does it, and she said you have to drill yourself into people on social media, and always present a false face of success and popularity, and reality will follow suit.Well fuck, I thought... I'm screwed. I've never been successful, or popular.. I'm not even diplomatic. In short, I suck at PR, so I've been relegated to perpetual obscurity, while she makes a livable income via spray-n-pray...
That's part of why I wanted to get into Daz... if I'm never going to get recognition for my photography, at the least I can stop wasting my time working with humans.
@jbuckland1984 ahhh, we are so much alike.. LOL.. Thats what people tell me too. I'm not a people person though. Not that I haven't tried. As I said, I'm not a salesman. I have very few friends. I have an OK fan base, but not enough.
My friend who does the people portraits has that knack of bullshitting. You know, fake people is what I hate so I have a hard time emulating them. If I could just become an asshole myself and not give a crap about anything, I'd be OK.I can talk... that's one thing I can do... excuse my candor but I've done a lot of hallucinogens, and a lot of that was in public... My friends would be clamoring for the exit to some place while I'm chatting up complete strangers for 20 minutes. It's weird, sometimes if I don't know anyone at all, I'm confident... But if I'm the only person who doesn't know anyone, like if I'm in a place where all the strangers know each other, or I'm with a friend who knows everybody and I don't, I get really, really quiet.
Long story short, none of that applies to my work. My art, my photography, my short films... none of it. Don't ask me to describe my creative process, don't ask me to explain my inspiration, all you'll get is as few words as possible to the effect of I Don't Know. hahaha. And, really, when I see my stuff next to the work of someone who's technically accomplished, my stuff just looks like grade-school doodles. "What's the point, I'll never be that good..." I've had a friend who is a professional-grade oil-paint artist tell me that my art is her favorite, and I look at her work, and I just think "are you fucking serious? Look at what you do. You could make a commercial living with that stuff. All my stuff looks like a mental patient drew it."
So, yeah... I'm rambling again....
Just can't promote myself... I've looked around before to see if anyone was interested in helping me out with that, even just being an admin to my FB page, but no one's interested in doing something that doesn't pay money.
Except people like us who can't promote the shit in the first place.
HIGH FIVE!I'm gonna beat a dead horse for a minute. And conduct an experiment
I think it was @drgnmztr that coined the phrase "click a button and bam... art". Well, here you go...
This one was about two minutes of posing, about five minutes of applying clothing and adjusting (what little there is), and about seven minutes of dForce simulation to get the necklace to lay against her skin.
The texture and body is Lainey (the head is a dial mix). Added a Colm Jackson IBL and backdrop, then added a rimlight.
Basically click a button and bam... art.
I've posted it to Rendo and I'm curious to see how much traction it gets versus the artwork I busted my a$$ on and received 3 or 4 comments.
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