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@maxterrible - "And the last time I posted something to the blog, I barely got a couple hundred points from 'sales', where I could have gotten several thousand if I properly filled the request..."
I get your point but that relies on the item you have being requested. If it hasn't you have no option other than posting it to the general blog. I'm not sure it's permitted to start a request for something you have to gather offers, and then fill your own request you started. Perhaps it is... I should read the rules.@frank22
There was a request for an asset that I also wanted. I bought the item and sent the link to the asset directly to all the people who requested the asset. I asked a mod to mark the request as 'filled' without me 'claiming' it. And then immediately after sending the messages, I posted the item to the blog, without a post delay.
To date (since beginning of November), there's been 91 "sales" of the item and I made 2,275 points from it (yes, I went into my history and counted all the sales). That 2,275 points is less than what the cumulative points of the request was.Why did I do this? Because I really don't care about the points. I have over 150,000 points that I will never use up. I don't make forum posts about other people reposting stuff I posted and then claiming "it's not about the points, it's the principle".
Someone asked for the asset, I also wanted it, so I got it and gave it to them and anyone else who wanted it, too.
There doesn't need to be an exchange of points or an incentive to share things. Communities like these exist because people just want to share with others. ZoneGFX is the only website that uses a point system as "incentive". No other site uses any sort of system, hell; some sites don't even require a login, and they all still exist and function just perfectly.
The points system is creating an unnecessary economy which breeds elitism. Makes people feel some sort of attachment to the things they share.@maxterrible
Coming from the defunct Kickass torrent universe I must say I fully approve your words. I think the point system is artificial and counterproductive but there were long and harsh debates during the early stage of this site and ultimately it is Hunter who decides according to his own guidelines...
The true problem is the growing lack of quality products (of course opinions may differ here) and so the flood of bad stuff, non poser-Daz software, and perpetual reappearance of supposedly dead linked products (sometimes three or even four times).@maxterrible Please don't think my comment was directed at you or anyone else. I was just thinking out loud about the request and point systems. I very rarely take part in requests and not at all these days and I also have far more points I could ever use. In fact most of my stuff is in the Free Resources blog because, as you say, people just want to share with others.
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I understand the idea behind the points. I understand why it was implemented, I just think it's an unnecessary system. I think the lack of quality products being shared is a direct consequence of the point system in the first place. People share random stuff trying to get points, so they can "buy" other stuff. And the reducing of login points made the situation even worse.
Just like capitalism, the site is run by a handful of people threatening to stop posting if the site is opened up.@frank22 My mistake, I slightly misunderstood what you were saying. With the new added context, rereading your previous message, I now understand it better. But you gave me a good idea; if I decide to share something in the future, to just make it entirely free in the first place.
Where is there a better site? 3dload? renderstate? 3dload gets no material that isn't already posted here. And the admin has resorted to posting 3d print models to keep the first page from becoming stale. RS is a lot better than 3dload, but it's rare to find stuff there that isn't already posted here first. Phoung's? lol
For DAZ content, this is the best site I've found. Lot's of folks complain about the points and the cliques, and the attitude of the uploaders. But there's never a link to a better site offered. Someplace where you can request something and have a 50/50 chance you'll get it. Someplace that gets stuff day 1 on release. Tell us where and we'll give it a try.
You'll never please everyone and trying to will fk up your country or whatever else it is you do.
I'd bet the majority of Daz content comes from here. So much so I personally believe at least one of the higher ups here controls a sister site.
I think that's fine since links here die often and having it in the wild there's a better chance to come back to it later and it not be lost forever like some content.
If everything is shared between a handful of whales it's a barren ocean and some fish go extinct. If that's their philosophy I can't blame them. People are not required to give you or me anything here. Years of discussions here have had me look at multiple perspectives to a point where I sometimes feel hypocritical.
There are no better Daz sites.
If you leave you'll probably be back.
It doesn't matter if a site post your upload somewhere else that's a good thing. If you want to share do if you dont don't. Don't do people a favor and expect repayment. If you do it's not a favor it's a loan. Don't think you're a great person because you spent more than a leach. There are people cracking and uploading very expensive programs. All you did was buy a product made by some poor schmuck trying to buy food and pay rent. That said, show appreciation because that person didn't have to give you shyt and they did pay for it. If this site is still here in a year copy and past your posts because you'll probably see this conversation at least once a year.I see a lot of requests get filled then requested again and filed and again and again...
(I often wonder if the "requests" are actually being made by the filler to get more points.)It seems that some people are gaming the system. I understand that some users don't want to make their offers public but sharing is what this site is all about. Hording for points is an abuse.
When I fulfill a request 95% of the time I will list it for the blog.
The only time I don't is if it is takedown bait!If everything is shared between a handful of whales it's a barren ocean and some fish go extinct. If that's their philosophy I can't blame them.
One of the major reasons these whales have built up their own community is that they don't like others leeching off from them. To that end, they are now restricting their shares within themselves. The thing is, these whales have accumulated enough points to leech from this site forever, without needing to contribute anything here ever again. So the folks who were claiming that they were victimized have now turned predator. Needless to say, they won't be using their main accounts to queue up for stuff here but transferring their points to shill accounts (via wash trades) and leech using those shill accounts.
The point system only works for new users or people with barely enough points. But the system is a leeching ground for folks who have already accumulated enough points to last a lifetime.
The only way to neutralize that is to scrub/reset the point system.
The members who have built significant amount of points, have invested a large amount of money in the hobby, shared it here & relatively not downloaded that much. If they hadn't have shared it here, they wouldn't have accumulated the points.
In all honesty, I am not a big fan the points system, being ex-KAT, but I have got used to it & on the whole it works pretty well.
Take that away & you will have nothing new to download!
There aren't any file hosts that don't care?
No server in some far away place to host torrents?
No person willing to refresh links when they go down?I've never done much computer wise other than mess around with a C64 or play a game so I've no concept of how difficult it is to own and/or moderate a site. I always "assumed" mods were the backbone of the site and took care of tasks like refreshing links, approving content and organizing,site menus/layout, and censoring chat.
I have no idea why they do what they do. Love of the product, money, perks, control or some sense of accomplishment. Same thing with people who crack programs or spend weeks modding games to share freely with the community.
If someone like 3Dick kept reporting links I'd bundle his content and spam the fhk out of it across every platform possible. Eventually he'd get the message once his store front was in every file share/torrent across the planet. Weird how some thorns get a pass because they fuss. Imagine if that caught on. Then again, I guess I expected more from others than I'm willing to invest myself in. Perhaps why I'm not a mod. At one time I might have tried it but not now.
Keeping it running smooth takes a lot of experience, knowledge, skill and above all time.
It has to be a team effort.
Hunter has to be supported in order to give him time to maintain & improve the site.Imagine being able to trade your points in for Daz credit or sell them for digital currency. Not sure that would be safe.
Or at least buy perks here. Would help people use all those points that will never get spent.
Why not put a bounty of 50K on an item you want vs 500? Or 100k on a bundle?
Why are people with so many points so fkn stingy?
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