How to get points now?

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Caleegiams

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perhaps uploads should be worth no points? Only when someone downloads your content will you receive points. That to me sounds like the best way to maximize the quality of uploads. The configuration of points will likely in the end demonstrate what is most important. If it’s upload quantity then it was good the way it was, if it’s quality then I suggest my proposal. I would prefer no points at all. A free for all. I’m a socialist lol. I’ll share either way =)

September 12, 2016 at 3:13 pm
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WeaZ3ley

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I tend to think that there should be some kind of immediate reward for uploading. Just to provide a little encouragement. Maybe 25 points is a good balance. It’s kind of early to say though.

The relative worth of an upload is pretty hard to judge objectively so I’m not sure how you could stop “Junk” uploads. One man’s junk is another man’s treasure.

BUT it’s starting to look like we might need some kind of penalty for duplicate uploads. It was a bit of a problem before but it seems to be getting worse. Maybe instead of getting 25 points per upload and 25 points per “sale” a fine of 50 points and loss of any points for “sales”? That would have to rely on user reports I suppose. Possibly it could even be added to the “Report Dead Link” feature.

Maybe @hunter has an opinion about that.

September 12, 2016 at 4:41 pm
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eelgoo

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I prefer the way it was up until recently 50 upload 50 download.

With uploads being nerfed to 25 without a corresponding reduction in download points required I feel it is a disincentive to upload, and accordingly downloads will reduce as folk have fewer points to spend.

Yes, perhaps the approval of uploads requires more resourcing to police duplication.

To my mind, if you do away with points for uploads, then whole point system should be discarded.

:0/

September 12, 2016 at 4:44 pm
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WeaZ3ley

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I still don’t think that 1 upload must be exactly equal to 1 download. Changing the upload points to 25 has the effect of making 1 download equal to 1 upload that is good enough quality or rare enough or whatever enough to inspire 1 person to “buy” it. So if you upload something and 10 people “buy” it you get 275 points. Before the change you would have got 300. You get 5.5 downloads instead of 6. Doesn’t seem so bad.

On the other hand if you just upload whatever you have on your HDD to get a free download and you don’t give a rat’s if anyone ever finds it useful… That’s a fairly severe penalty. Suddenly you get HALF a download for the same amount of work. A pretty big deterrent for anyone gaming the system to get easy points.

I wonder if any of these bulk uploaders realize that you get a 100 point fine if you don’t fix a dead link? So you can’t just upload today and delete it tomorrow and expect it not to catch up with you.

September 12, 2016 at 5:03 pm
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WeaZ3ley

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“perhaps the approval of uploads requires more resourcing to police duplication.”

Only 1 problem with that. Where do the resources come from? That’s why I was musing on the feasibility of a user-reports type solution.

September 12, 2016 at 5:06 pm
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eelgoo

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Yes, that would be a way around it.

Then the community can regulate itself.

🙂

September 12, 2016 at 5:08 pm
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EE

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Hi,
I think that the best way to avoid duplicate uploads is to provide a good search engine with enough criterias to find out what you wanted to upload is already there.
These criterias could be more categories / sub-categories, product id based on source URL, mandatory tags when you upload, …
That would really help.
EE.

September 17, 2016 at 8:39 am
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WeaZ3ley

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Why do you need a fancy search engine to find out if something is already posted?

    Type the name of what you want in the search box as it is and it will show you if there is anything matching that name.

Simple and all you really need. And the tags don’t help anything if you want to find out if something is already uploaded either.

Most of what you are suggesting is only useful for downloading. If you are uploading then obviously know the name of the product. So categories and sub-categories are unneeded. More categories might be nice for downloaders though.

SKU numbers aren’t even useful for finding something to download. If you know an SKU then it’s pretty certain you know the name.

September 17, 2016 at 1:19 pm
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Will

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I’ve been noticing the dupes as well. Someone upped Victoria 4.2 mega bundle and Solar System Super Bundle in the past couple of days, both were previously upped by me 2 weeks ago! And I’ve been watching it happen to most of the frequent uploaders. Forces me to ask without pointing fingers and hurting anybody’s feelings, submissions [approvals] couldn’t possibly be automatic, are they? Somebody makes the call, yes? Seems to me that doing a required search before posting should be done by the poster as well as whomever is approving the uploads. I think I actually saw three of the same title a few weeks ago. Points are systematically taken from us already. We really don’t need this kind of neglectful actions on top of everything else.
I realize this is old news and has been repeated before. But I’m a bit angry to wake up this morning and find my posts duped. I think penalties need to be put in place for those who actually don’t know what a search window is for, as well as some form of compensation to the original posters.

September 17, 2016 at 1:53 pm
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Caleegiams

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I agree with WeasZ3ley and Will. Duplication is nothing but laziness of an uploader. Even the upload queue shows what has been uploaded and is waiting for approval. Although in that case i can see it being a grey area. As for uploading something that would have shown up in a search, that is just pure laziness and should be compensated 100% to the original uploader as well as a small disincentive charged to the duplicator.

September 17, 2016 at 5:33 pm
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WeaZ3ley

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I think if they are allowed to buy some points for a reasonable price it might be the only thing to fix this situation. If they can get points cheaply then hopefully the junk posts and reposting of stuff that does not need reposting might mellow out a lot. Plus @hunter might make get a few more bucks coming in and be able to upgrade the server.

September 17, 2016 at 7:47 pm
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PlacentaSalad

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Here’s the thing. Users will download something from another source, like Skyback, and then upload it here or people from these other websites might take something first posted here for their website instead. You aren’t going to find anything decent here that hasn’t been uploaded elsewhere, but since I don’t understand Russian, this website is among the most convenient to use. What it comes down to is a race to see who can download something first and then upload it here as not everybody uploading content to ZoneGfx actually buys the products from DAZ or Renderosity or Renderotica with their own money. I understand that some people here are generous enough to share what they purchase but that isn’t always the case. This is why there is duplicate content.

I see there is now a poll, but I’m not sure why site administration would be against selling points for people who might need them. If it helps pay the bills, then what is the problem? I currently have 1.1k because I don’t download everything that is posted, but I would buy points should I ever need them, or buy them now just to ensure that I won’t ever find myself having exhausted them in the near future. Unfortunately, a lot of people might not donate but they’ll certainly buy something if it benefits them now or in the long run. People can still donate if they don’t necessarily need the points but want to help out. We’re all here for the same reason: to download stuff for DAZ3D. People without the points will find some way to acquire them, through begging or trying to exploit the system, or they’ll go elsewhere.

The idea isn’t to make it difficult for people by reducing the methods available for them to acquire a sufficient amount of points, though. Telling them to “buy stuff and upload it” instead isn’t exactly the best alternative and it’s only going to cause people to upload freebies or to buy the cheap junk from 2002. Not everybody has $120 for a pro bundle, just to get 25 points out of each download.

September 18, 2016 at 1:32 am
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WeaZ3ley

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Yeah that is pretty much what I was saying but some of yours is better written 🙂

Not everyone has the time, or the inclination, to spend hours online waiting for someone to upload something somewhere that is new and exciting. And certainly not everything that is uploaded here or anywhere was purchased by the uploader. I can only afford a few items each month and I’m sure that many others aren’t rich either. So they need points and they use and abuse the system. Some more than others. So I say let them buy points if they want.

I don’t think @hunter has any objections in any way to selling points. I believe he just wants to make sure that he isn’t going to actually chase off any members by bringing it in. Of course there will be a lot of people who will always vote for the status quo.I guess they expect @hunter to pay for it himself or think that some hypothetical “other people” are probably donating a bunch of money already. Well those people can continue to get points by uploading, as I will, and probably get a few more points because people might have more points to spend.

Sounds like a win for all to me.

September 18, 2016 at 1:55 am
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Dilan

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By the looks of the votes, I’m guessing the ones who voted no are also the ones who pay monthly for the server costs and not just wait for others to do so ?!…

The servers need to be upgraded and paying for points is a very good incentive for people to donate towards the cost and maintenance. If @hunter wants it, the money he gets over the needed server costs can go towards buying new assets. Make a poll each week/month depending on the money, where people can vote what assets should be bought and uploaded here to otherwise prevent people from just getting stuff from other websites.

September 18, 2016 at 10:01 am
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WeaZ3ley

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From what @hunter has said the times I have communicated with him he has had a total of one or 2 donations in the past year. So I don’t think all the people that vote no are ones who donate. Or will ever donate. If he was in it for the money the site would be VIP paid only or their would be a bunch of advertising. There isn’t. The sad fact is that only a tiny little percentage of people ever donate for anything.

Paying for points doesn’t really seem any different to me than donating if it is optional. More like public television in the USA where they give incentives to people that donate.

In the meantime I will keep uploading and get points that way. Although I have enough already to last me for 1 or 2 years 🙂 And if I ever have any spare money I will try to donate. Just like I try to buy as much of the content I use as I can.

September 18, 2016 at 11:35 am
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